2010G BSC Coming For FVU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let the kids play for whomever they want to play! They are not professionals who are paid. In fact they are the ones paying the club. Absurd how others outside the parents wish to control a child’s life and decisions. It’s pathetic.

That is the problem with youth soccer. Too many parents forget this is a pay to play system treating this kids like Pro players in Europe. Hard to wake a delusional person up.

Will wake em up. Im curious if sanctions could equal ECNL giving BSC the boot finally. Like if thats the angle they will choose to separate themselves and push them to GA off of the grandfather clause.

Wild
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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let the kids play for whomever they want to play! They are not professionals who are paid. In fact they are the ones paying the club. Absurd how others outside the parents wish to control a child’s life and decisions. It’s pathetic.

sounds cool but they have rules. What you would be suggesting is a transfer portal for teenage travel soccer lmao. That would be amazeballs to see. But not realistic. Rules are rules

Actually the rules aren’t so rigid. A good atty could win this case hands down for the players. Imagine how holding children hostage for a sport would sound to a team of jurors.

depends on what the contract says. Might not even make it to a jury if it’s ironclad.

LMAO. You clearly aren’t an atty.

I am an attorney. I read the ECNL rules, as much as I hate to say it, FVU has no chance of winning this. Look up the defined terms. Say goodbye to your old teammates. They are gone. Be nice, if history is a guide, they will be back. BSC, and their abusive coaches do not have a track record of keeping top talent at the older age groups. You can welcome them back later, or you can alienate them. That depends on if SYC parents can be civil, I doubt it, but it is ultimately your choice. Can you not bite off your nose to spite your face?

SYC?!


Yall talking about these rules?!
https://theecnl.com/documents/2023/9/11/ECNL_Competition_Rules_2023_2024.pdf?id=2

2:13:2 will be problematic if the parents willingly registered and accepted before BSC tryouts. No way around it.

2:13:5 could be problematic if ECNL determines they torpedo’d FVU team. Sounds like BSC could get PDA’d and have events removed thereby making it a waste of a season.

3.141 is pretty straightforward about the transfers.

If there are no geographic moves involved. Then the commish looks at the other factors surrounding it. And if those factors are as shady as posters are insinuating. Those kids may end up suffering as a result if impulsive decision making as the commish has to look at those “other factors surrounding”
:idea :

2/3 options are ugly. Denying the transfer most likely will leave the kids out in the cold unless roster space is available and said coach wants them to suit up.

Sanction and suspension (which sounds like the likely angle being sought w the coaching poaching allegations) gives coaches and parents what they want at the expense of the season. A true cut ur nose off to spite your face moment. I see this being the likely outcome if FVU released the cards as it puts then responsibility on ecnl to enforce the contract.

Lastly is just letting everyone leave…
No suspension or sanctions. Which is probably what parents and coaches were/are hoping for… but that ignores the other clear verbiage in the contract rules.
Bluf: if u signed ur binding language makes leaving difficult outside of geographic moves… which is why most family get a rental for this kind of stuff.

Will be am interesting thing for the commish to work out in the next week or so…

2:13:5 - Thats the one that will sink BSC for this season, slap on the wrist not a biggie but will effect the girls in recruitment cycle the most. The theory that BSC is willingly breaking the rules and sees their last season in ECNL as a wash is interesting to consider too. GA is rising!?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let the kids play for whomever they want to play! They are not professionals who are paid. In fact they are the ones paying the club. Absurd how others outside the parents wish to control a child’s life and decisions. It’s pathetic.

sounds cool but they have rules. What you would be suggesting is a transfer portal for teenage travel soccer lmao. That would be amazeballs to see. But not realistic. Rules are rules

Actually the rules aren’t so rigid. A good atty could win this case hands down for the players. Imagine how holding children hostage for a sport would sound to a team of jurors.

depends on what the contract says. Might not even make it to a jury if it’s ironclad.

LMAO. You clearly aren’t an atty.

I am an attorney. I read the ECNL rules, as much as I hate to say it, FVU has no chance of winning this. Look up the defined terms. Say goodbye to your old teammates. They are gone. Be nice, if history is a guide, they will be back. BSC, and their abusive coaches do not have a track record of keeping top talent at the older age groups. You can welcome them back later, or you can alienate them. That depends on if SYC parents can be civil, I doubt it, but it is ultimately your choice. Can you not bite off your nose to spite your face?

SYC?!


Yall talking about these rules?!
https://theecnl.com/documents/2023/9/11/ECNL_Competition_Rules_2023_2024.pdf?id=2

2:13:2 will be problematic if the parents willingly registered and accepted before BSC tryouts. No way around it.

2:13:5 could be problematic if ECNL determines they torpedo’d FVU team. Sounds like BSC could get PDA’d and have events removed thereby making it a waste of a season.

3.141 is pretty straightforward about the transfers.

If there are no geographic moves involved. Then the commish looks at the other factors surrounding it. And if those factors are as shady as posters are insinuating. Those kids may end up suffering as a result if impulsive decision making as the commish has to look at those “other factors surrounding”
:idea :

2/3 options are ugly. Denying the transfer most likely will leave the kids out in the cold unless roster space is available and said coach wants them to suit up.

Sanction and suspension (which sounds like the likely angle being sought w the coaching poaching allegations) gives coaches and parents what they want at the expense of the season. A true cut ur nose off to spite your face moment. I see this being the likely outcome if FVU released the cards as it puts then responsibility on ecnl to enforce the contract.

Lastly is just letting everyone leave…
No suspension or sanctions. Which is probably what parents and coaches were/are hoping for… but that ignores the other clear verbiage in the contract rules.
Bluf: if u signed ur binding language makes leaving difficult outside of geographic moves… which is why most family get a rental for this kind of stuff.

Will be am interesting thing for the commish to work out in the next week or so…

2:13:5 - Thats the one that will sink BSC for this season, slap on the wrist not a biggie but will effect the girls in recruitment cycle the most. The theory that BSC is willingly breaking the rules and sees their last season in ECNL as a wash is interesting to consider too. GA is rising!?

IF ecnl is petty…. And tactical…. YES.

Lmao. Imagine one team sinking a program. That would be something to witness

[Anonymous]

The parents won't even flinch. Anything for my DD who still can't juggle competently nor run for 100 meters without looking like they need hip replacement but P4's are calling as long as I can be in the room where it happens. So sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let the kids play for whomever they want to play! They are not professionals who are paid. In fact they are the ones paying the club. Absurd how others outside the parents wish to control a child’s life and decisions. It’s pathetic.

sounds cool but they have rules. What you would be suggesting is a transfer portal for teenage travel soccer lmao. That would be amazeballs to see. But not realistic. Rules are rules

Actually the rules aren’t so rigid. A good atty could win this case hands down for the players. Imagine how holding children hostage for a sport would sound to a team of jurors.

depends on what the contract says. Might not even make it to a jury if it’s ironclad.

LMAO. You clearly aren’t an atty.

I am an attorney. I read the ECNL rules, as much as I hate to say it, FVU has no chance of winning this. Look up the defined terms. Say goodbye to your old teammates. They are gone. Be nice, if history is a guide, they will be back. BSC, and their abusive coaches do not have a track record of keeping top talent at the older age groups. You can welcome them back later, or you can alienate them. That depends on if SYC parents can be civil, I doubt it, but it is ultimately your choice. Can you not bite off your nose to spite your face?

SYC?!


Yall talking about these rules?!
https://theecnl.com/documents/2023/9/11/ECNL_Competition_Rules_2023_2024.pdf?id=2

2:13:2 will be problematic if the parents willingly registered and accepted before BSC tryouts. No way around it.

2:13:5 could be problematic if ECNL determines they torpedo’d FVU team. Sounds like BSC could get PDA’d and have events removed thereby making it a waste of a season.

3.141 is pretty straightforward about the transfers.

If there are no geographic moves involved. Then the commish looks at the other factors surrounding it. And if those factors are as shady as posters are insinuating. Those kids may end up suffering as a result if impulsive decision making as the commish has to look at those “other factors surrounding”
:idea :

2/3 options are ugly. Denying the transfer most likely will leave the kids out in the cold unless roster space is available and said coach wants them to suit up.

Sanction and suspension (which sounds like the likely angle being sought w the coaching poaching allegations) gives coaches and parents what they want at the expense of the season. A true cut ur nose off to spite your face moment. I see this being the likely outcome if FVU released the cards as it puts then responsibility on ecnl to enforce the contract.

Lastly is just letting everyone leave…
No suspension or sanctions. Which is probably what parents and coaches were/are hoping for… but that ignores the other clear verbiage in the contract rules.
Bluf: if u signed ur binding language makes leaving difficult outside of geographic moves… which is why most family get a rental for this kind of stuff.

Will be am interesting thing for the commish to work out in the next week or so…

2:13:5 - Thats the one that will sink BSC for this season, slap on the wrist not a biggie but will effect the girls in recruitment cycle the most. The theory that BSC is willingly breaking the rules and sees their last season in ECNL as a wash is interesting to consider too. GA is rising!?

2.13.5 Recruiting and Competition Integrity. If in the recruiting process, (i) an
ECNL Club (the “Recruiting Club”) recruits or signs significant numbers of players
from another ECNL Club (the “Prior Club”) for the next ECNL Season, and (ii) the
Prior Club is unable to fulfill ECNL Post-Season obligations for the current ECNL
Season, the ECNL will review to determine how the Recruiting Club’s actions
influenced this failure. If the ECNL, in its sole discretion, determines that the
Recruiting Club played a significant role in the Prior Club’s inability to attend the
ECNL Post-Season or finish games in the current ECNL Regular Season, the ECNL
may sanction the Recruiting Club, including without limitation by removing events
from the Recruiting Club in the subsequent season.

Was FVU not at Nationals in July because of this recruitment violation? That is the only way the coaches are in violation of 2.13.5. My understanding is that all the FVU clubs that qualified for Nationals attended and the 2010s in fact did very well...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let the kids play for whomever they want to play! They are not professionals who are paid. In fact they are the ones paying the club. Absurd how others outside the parents wish to control a child’s life and decisions. It’s pathetic.

sounds cool but they have rules. What you would be suggesting is a transfer portal for teenage travel soccer lmao. That would be amazeballs to see. But not realistic. Rules are rules

Actually the rules aren’t so rigid. A good atty could win this case hands down for the players. Imagine how holding children hostage for a sport would sound to a team of jurors.

depends on what the contract says. Might not even make it to a jury if it’s ironclad.

LMAO. You clearly aren’t an atty.

I am an attorney. I read the ECNL rules, as much as I hate to say it, FVU has no chance of winning this. Look up the defined terms. Say goodbye to your old teammates. They are gone. Be nice, if history is a guide, they will be back. BSC, and their abusive coaches do not have a track record of keeping top talent at the older age groups. You can welcome them back later, or you can alienate them. That depends on if SYC parents can be civil, I doubt it, but it is ultimately your choice. Can you not bite off your nose to spite your face?

SYC?!


Yall talking about these rules?!
https://theecnl.com/documents/2023/9/11/ECNL_Competition_Rules_2023_2024.pdf?id=2

2:13:2 will be problematic if the parents willingly registered and accepted before BSC tryouts. No way around it.

2:13:5 could be problematic if ECNL determines they torpedo’d FVU team. Sounds like BSC could get PDA’d and have events removed thereby making it a waste of a season.

3.141 is pretty straightforward about the transfers.

If there are no geographic moves involved. Then the commish looks at the other factors surrounding it. And if those factors are as shady as posters are insinuating. Those kids may end up suffering as a result if impulsive decision making as the commish has to look at those “other factors surrounding”
:idea :

2/3 options are ugly. Denying the transfer most likely will leave the kids out in the cold unless roster space is available and said coach wants them to suit up.

Sanction and suspension (which sounds like the likely angle being sought w the coaching poaching allegations) gives coaches and parents what they want at the expense of the season. A true cut ur nose off to spite your face moment. I see this being the likely outcome if FVU released the cards as it puts then responsibility on ecnl to enforce the contract.

Lastly is just letting everyone leave…
No suspension or sanctions. Which is probably what parents and coaches were/are hoping for… but that ignores the other clear verbiage in the contract rules.
Bluf: if u signed ur binding language makes leaving difficult outside of geographic moves… which is why most family get a rental for this kind of stuff.

Will be am interesting thing for the commish to work out in the next week or so…

2:13:5 - Thats the one that will sink BSC for this season, slap on the wrist not a biggie but will effect the girls in recruitment cycle the most. The theory that BSC is willingly breaking the rules and sees their last season in ECNL as a wash is interesting to consider too. GA is rising!?

2.13.5 Recruiting and Competition Integrity. If in the recruiting process, (i) an
ECNL Club (the “Recruiting Club”) recruits or signs significant numbers of players
from another ECNL Club (the “Prior Club”) for the next ECNL Season, and (ii) the
Prior Club is unable to fulfill ECNL Post-Season obligations for the current ECNL
Season, the ECNL will review to determine how the Recruiting Club’s actions
influenced this failure. If the ECNL, in its sole discretion, determines that the
Recruiting Club played a significant role in the Prior Club’s inability to attend the
ECNL Post-Season or finish games in the current ECNL Regular Season, the ECNL
may sanction the Recruiting Club, including without limitation by removing events
from the Recruiting Club in the subsequent season.

Was FVU not at Nationals in July because of this recruitment violation? That is the only way the coaches are in violation of 2.13.5. My understanding is that all the FVU clubs that qualified for Nationals attended and the 2010s in fact did very well...

This is about the current season

[Anonymous]

Maybe they should have transferred to a GA team first then left for the ECNL team they wanted, they would have avoided all these transfer protocols. Something to think about next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should have transferred to a GA team first then left for the ECNL team they wanted, they would have avoided all these transfer protocols. Something to think about next time.

Mind blown! You are a genius!

[Anonymous]

Should ECNL not follow the rule will set a precedent and any club, coaches or parents anywhere else will follow suit, a situation that harms the original club, financially and operationally and could consequently impacts all the club payers and coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should ECNL not follow the rule will set a precedent and any club, coaches or parents anywhere else will follow suit, a situation that harms the original club, financially and operationally and could consequently impacts all the club payers and coaches.

Thanks MV!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should have transferred to a GA team first then left for the ECNL team they wanted, they would have avoided all these transfer protocols. Something to think about next time.

thats actually covered as well still need permissions apparently

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should ECNL not follow the rule will set a precedent and any club, coaches or parents anywhere else will follow suit, a situation that harms the original club, financially and operationally and could consequently impacts all the club payers and coaches.

it could…. But there is a precedence at the college level now. Someone takes it to court… I smell ecnl/ga/edp/xxxx transfer portals depending on how far they go w it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other factor here is that tryouts are a fraud. And we pay a lot of money to be on these teams. Let's say you are a good player, you go to BSC tryout. You don't make the first team and assume it's because either the roster is full ( yeah I know, it's never really full) or you aren't quite good enough. But then you find out spots were held for these other girls, and you have already paid your money in full to be placed on Team 2. How is that not wrong? It happens all the time around here and I am not an attorney but I think this is a problem.

It’s wrong to be placed on team two because you aren’t good enough for team one?

No, I’m saying a kid (or many) could be good enough but is not considered at tryouts because these spots are being held for players NOT at tryouts. Which the parents would never know. Seems wrong to me.

[Anonymous]

Theres nothing wrong with holding spots. The issue is depositing at your current club for the sake of completing a playoff run just to leave 3 weeks before the new season is to start. The 5 who are leaving for BSC, two girls never signed with FVU they are playing this honestly. Its the 3 who are jumping ship for less playing time remains a head scratcher and dishonest on all parties part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Theres nothing wrong with holding spots. The issue is depositing at your current club for the sake of completing a playoff run just to leave 3 weeks before the new season is to start. The 5 who are leaving for BSC, two girls never signed with FVU they are playing this honestly. Its the 3 who are jumping ship for less playing time remains a head scratcher and dishonest on all parties part.

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