Colombia blocks deportation flights, Trump responds with tariffs

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I care more about how illegal immigrants have placed such a drain on our economy.

Ironically, the illegal immigrants are not actually a drain on our economy. They work jobs that native born Americans won't do and they don't collect what they pay into the system in the form of payroll and sales taxes. They work harder because they are more desperate.

According to most economic research, the net economic impact of illegal immigrants on the US economy is generally considered to be positive, as they contribute to the economy by paying taxes, filling labor gaps in certain sectors, and boosting consumer spending, although the exact impact is debated and can vary depending on factors like the specific demographics of the immigrant population and regional economic conditions; however, some argue that the costs associated with social services and potential wage depression for low-skilled workers can partially offset these positive effects.

Well then; it’s been “studied” to find the conclusion wanted. So let’s just not even have citizenship or borders. What a crazy concept in the first place.

Why stop there. Why even have a nation state. We all know how horrible the United States of America is. Might as well just toss that out while we are at it.

Rant away all you want. This group of people is significant to our economy.

You think if you go ahead and scratch your itch about this fake idea that we don't have a country if we don't deport all these people., anything is going to improve.
It will be a net negative to this country and lots of families, maybe including yours, just to "own the libs' or some such nonsense.

I don't have all the answers. This negotiated border bill seems like it would be a good place to start since it was accomplished by our elected representatives. Letting Trump loose with some half-baked mass deportation scheme that seems incredibly poorly thought out doesn't really seem to be helping you or me or anyone.

What you are posting is a series of rants.

The proper course of action here is to cut off the diseased limb and start over from scratch. The diseased limb here is allowing illegal immigration to fester. If somebody wants to come up with a realistic plan that doesn’t involve a tier of effectively sub-people who aren’t actual citizens to keep prices low, they can have at it. Until then, the illegals need to be removed.

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

I don’t know where you’re located, but in northern Virginia where I live, all the auto detailers I’ve ever seen have been Hispanic. So if that’s the main pool of workers you have to choose from, I can see your problem trying to figure out who is legal and who is not. Not sure what the solution is but if ever there was a spotlight turned on the issue, it’s now so I hope you and other employers get the support you need to hire responsibly and legally.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/

This is an interesting development. Colombia said they wouldn’t take back their own citizens so Trump is enacting tariffs and other measures.

Personally, I think this is a great move. It is the responsibility of the host nation to repatriate their citizens. I do not understand why Colombia won’t welcome their own people back.

They don’t have any issues taking their migrants back. They are demanding they are returned on civilian flights like humans.

To me, that’s a fair ask.

Why don't they (Colombia) pay for these flights then? THAT would be fair

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The Colombian president even said he would send his presidential plane to come pick them up. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

Well yes they can sue you if you hire them and don’t pay them. Do you think you are entitled to their labor for free?

A page ago there was "no way" an undocumented worker was going to show up to court, now "of course they can sue you"

Well, which is it?

Can =/= actually will

You were talking about an illegal suing you for citizenship status discrimination after giving you fake documents. There is zero risk that would actually happen even if it’s theoretically possible. Suing you for wage theft is entirely different.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/

This is an interesting development. Colombia said they wouldn’t take back their own citizens so Trump is enacting tariffs and other measures.

Personally, I think this is a great move. It is the responsibility of the host nation to repatriate their citizens. I do not understand why Colombia won’t welcome their own people back.

They don’t have any issues taking their migrants back. They are demanding they are returned on civilian flights like humans.

To me, that’s a fair ask.

Something to consider if you care about consumer prices...

Colombias gas exports have been decreasing yearly due to a host of issues. That’s while US shale is increasing, and hopefully increasing faster with a new regulatory environment.

Africa makes great coffee and I’ll gladly pay $3 a pound more to remove illegal migrants from our country.

Let me guess: You live in, what, Ohio? Do you know a single undocumented immigrant? Have you ever met an immigrant from Columbia? Would you know what an immigrant from Columbia looked like? Would you know anything about that immigrant, that is, if you know any immigrants?

Your ignorance = cruelty.

Get out and meet some undocumented immigrants. Talk to them. Find out what they have endured in their lives.

Now, compare their experiences (grinding poverty, violence unimaginable to you or to anyone you know) to your cushy, comfortable, safe life.

Once you've done that, please get back to me.

Hey sweetie, it's Colombia.

Once you figure out how to spell the name of the country we are talking about, come join in.

Pass that on to Karoline Leavitt when you get a sec.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/

This is an interesting development. Colombia said they wouldn’t take back their own citizens so Trump is enacting tariffs and other measures.

Personally, I think this is a great move. It is the responsibility of the host nation to repatriate their citizens. I do not understand why Colombia won’t welcome their own people back.

They don’t have any issues taking their migrants back. They are demanding they are returned on civilian flights like humans.

To me, that’s a fair ask.

Something to consider if you care about consumer prices...

Colombias gas exports have been decreasing yearly due to a host of issues. That’s while US shale is increasing, and hopefully increasing faster with a new regulatory environment.

Africa makes great coffee and I’ll gladly pay $3 a pound more to remove illegal migrants from our country.

Let me guess: You live in, what, Ohio? Do you know a single undocumented immigrant? Have you ever met an immigrant from Columbia? Would you know what an immigrant from Columbia looked like? Would you know anything about that immigrant, that is, if you know any immigrants?

Your ignorance = cruelty.

Get out and meet some undocumented immigrants. Talk to them. Find out what they have endured in their lives.

Now, compare their experiences (grinding poverty, violence unimaginable to you or to anyone you know) to your cushy, comfortable, safe life.

Once you've done that, please get back to me.

Parts of Ohio are really struggling with large numbers of immigrants so probably not the best example.

Try another state you feel is beneath you. Maybe Tennessee? Or Arkansas?

Wait do you will believe the cats and dogs BS?

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

Well yes they can sue you if you hire them and don’t pay them. Do you think you are entitled to their labor for free?

A page ago there was "no way" an undocumented worker was going to show up to court, now "of course they can sue you"

Well, which is it?

Can =/= actually will

You were talking about an illegal suing you for citizenship status discrimination after giving you fake documents. There is zero risk that would actually happen even if it’s theoretically possible. Suing you for wage theft is entirely different.

It happens every day in this country. There are law firms that specialize in it. They send people in with fake documents to specifically see if you mention it. I think it’s as dumb as everyone else. My point is everyone says "blame the employers" but do not realize there are laws in place to specifically tie the employers hands. It’s frustrating to get blamed for something out of my control.

I 100% think if you allowed employers to question it, it would help slow the flow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/

This is an interesting development. Colombia said they wouldn’t take back their own citizens so Trump is enacting tariffs and other measures.

Personally, I think this is a great move. It is the responsibility of the host nation to repatriate their citizens. I do not understand why Colombia won’t welcome their own people back.

They don’t have any issues taking their migrants back. They are demanding they are returned on civilian flights like humans.

To me, that’s a fair ask.

Too bad so sad. Should have thought of that before you snuck in illegally.

My severely autistic niece has a few phrases and one of them is “too bad so sad” . I can’t believe there is an adult out there using the phrase. So juvenile.

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Anonymous wrote:Shocking, another Trump tantrum in response to something that he didn’t think through.

Wow, whatever will Colombia do?

https://thediplomat.com/2024/08/evaluating-colombias-strategic-partnership-with-china/

What will Colombia do? They will send their own planes to get their criminals back. Great to have finally a leader who can make things happen.

You understand there’s a lot of puffed up exaggeration and lies when Trump speaks. None of this has happened. And I wish some MAGAs will explain how their middle class lives will improve from all of the executive orders and deporting people which is not new.

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

Well yes they can sue you if you hire them and don’t pay them. Do you think you are entitled to their labor for free?

A page ago there was "no way" an undocumented worker was going to show up to court, now "of course they can sue you"

Well, which is it?

Can =/= actually will

You were talking about an illegal suing you for citizenship status discrimination after giving you fake documents. There is zero risk that would actually happen even if it’s theoretically possible. Suing you for wage theft is entirely different.

It happens every day in this country. There are law firms that specialize in it. They send people in with fake documents to specifically see if you mention it. I think it’s as dumb as everyone else. My point is everyone says "blame the employers" but do not realize there are laws in place to specifically tie the employers hands. It’s frustrating to get blamed for something out of my control.

I 100% think if you allowed employers to question it, it would help slow the flow.

Can you give evidence that there are lawfirms sending people with fake documents to see if they are questioned and sue? Because it does not sound correct. Also employers can use everify if they want. Many employers know exactly their employees are undocumented. See the interview of the South Dakota dairy farmer a few days ago saying he did not believe Trump and Noem would ride his farm or other farms because they know 1) farms depend on the labor of undocumented people and 2) without undocumented workers the usa would end up with empty shelves at the grocery stores in days. Same for the construction industry. The flow would not stop if employees can question, they know exactly who they are employing but they need the employees

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

Well yes they can sue you if you hire them and don’t pay them. Do you think you are entitled to their labor for free?

A page ago there was "no way" an undocumented worker was going to show up to court, now "of course they can sue you"

Well, which is it?

Can =/= actually will

You were talking about an illegal suing you for citizenship status discrimination after giving you fake documents. There is zero risk that would actually happen even if it’s theoretically possible. Suing you for wage theft is entirely different.

It happens every day in this country. There are law firms that specialize in it. They send people in with fake documents to specifically see if you mention it. I think it’s as dumb as everyone else. My point is everyone says "blame the employers" but do not realize there are laws in place to specifically tie the employers hands. It’s frustrating to get blamed for something out of my control.

I 100% think if you allowed employers to question it, it would help slow the flow.

It’s quite the conundrum. What do you plan to do moving forward?

[Anonymous]

And Trump already caved. Agreed to stop sending them shackled and in a humane way. Just like Biden had been doing for years. What a stupid blow up.

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I care more about how illegal immigrants have placed such a drain on our economy.

Ironically, the illegal immigrants are not actually a drain on our economy. They work jobs that native born Americans won't do and they don't collect what they pay into the system in the form of payroll and sales taxes. They work harder because they are more desperate.

According to most economic research, the net economic impact of illegal immigrants on the US economy is generally considered to be positive, as they contribute to the economy by paying taxes, filling labor gaps in certain sectors, and boosting consumer spending, although the exact impact is debated and can vary depending on factors like the specific demographics of the immigrant population and regional economic conditions; however, some argue that the costs associated with social services and potential wage depression for low-skilled workers can partially offset these positive effects.

Well then; it’s been “studied” to find the conclusion wanted. So let’s just not even have citizenship or borders. What a crazy concept in the first place.

Why stop there. Why even have a nation state. We all know how horrible the United States of America is. Might as well just toss that out while we are at it.

There has always been a system of trying to keep people out who are not legally here. The problem right now is Trump is a compulsive liar and is shameless about it. “They’re all rapists and murderers” is his famous stupid comment.

And it’s 100% accurate that these immigrants do the jobs no one else will do and they stay out of trouble. I know many illegal immigrants and their families. Typically they are working jobs, paying rent and take nothing from the government. If Trump was honest he would talk about the gang members from various countries who terrorize the honest immigrants and Americans born here. They need to be removed immediately and should be the number one priority. .

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Anonymous wrote:So is Trump going to make an example of businesses that hire undocumented workers? Wouldn’t that be an effective deterrent? If not, how come?

Here’s the issue. As an employer I’m not allowed to question documents even if I suspect they’re false. I’m also not allowed to not hire someone based on those suspicions. You can’t make an example of me simply because my defense would be "how was I supposed to know". You can’t sue a business for questioning documents and blame them for not questioning them at the same time.

So, since you are so anti immigration, why would you hire someone you suspect is illegal? What is he gonna do, sue you for discrimination? I think you are full of shit

Actually yes, there are Lawyers who specialize in exactly that. Suing employers for questioning documents. There’s even a dot gov page about it.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/immigrant-and-employee-rights-section

Aha. So the ILLEGAL immigrant will show up in court to sue you for not hiring them. Again, full of shit

Yes, they actually the right to. It can, and does happen. Look at the rights they have under e verify

https://www.e-verify.gov/employees/employee-rights-and-responsibilities

DP. Pretty sure an undocumented migrant is not going to out themselves by suing you in court, regardless of what e-verify says. You still haven’t told us what kind of a business you run. Context is important.

I own automotive detail shops. Again, undocumented workers have the right to sue and it not flag immigration.

https://www.kingsleykingsley.com/can-undocumented-workers-make-legal-claims-for-unpaid-wages

Well yes they can sue you if you hire them and don’t pay them. Do you think you are entitled to their labor for free?

A page ago there was "no way" an undocumented worker was going to show up to court, now "of course they can sue you"

Well, which is it?

Can =/= actually will

You were talking about an illegal suing you for citizenship status discrimination after giving you fake documents. There is zero risk that would actually happen even if it’s theoretically possible. Suing you for wage theft is entirely different.

It happens every day in this country. There are law firms that specialize in it. They send people in with fake documents to specifically see if you mention it. I think it’s as dumb as everyone else. My point is everyone says "blame the employers" but do not realize there are laws in place to specifically tie the employers hands. It’s frustrating to get blamed for something out of my control.

I 100% think if you allowed employers to question it, it would help slow the flow.

Can you give evidence that there are lawfirms sending people with fake documents to see if they are questioned and sue? Because it does not sound correct. Also employers can use everify if they want. Many employers know exactly their employees are undocumented. See the interview of the South Dakota dairy farmer a few days ago saying he did not believe Trump and Noem would ride his farm or other farms because they know 1) farms depend on the labor of undocumented people and 2) without undocumented workers the usa would end up with empty shelves at the grocery stores in days. Same for the construction industry. The flow would not stop if employees can question, they know exactly who they are employing but they need the employees

I’ve posted links of law firms that advertise for it, and a link that shows even if e verify does not match, you still must hire them. You choose to ignore them because it doesn’t fit the "employers bad" narrative. You have google, educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shocking, another Trump tantrum in response to something that he didn’t think through.

Wow, whatever will Colombia do?

https://thediplomat.com/2024/08/evaluating-colombias-strategic-partnership-with-china/

What will Colombia do? They will send their own planes to get their criminals back. Great to have finally a leader who can make things happen.

You understand there’s a lot of puffed up exaggeration and lies when Trump speaks. None of this has happened. And I wish some MAGAs will explain how their middle class lives will improve from all of the executive orders and deporting people which is not new.

+1. Apparently there is an agreement between usa and colombia and in 2024 Biden did 124 flight ( an average or 2 or more per week) to deport people, all in coordination with colombia. But trump does not care about the actual deportation, he just wanted the photos with the military planes and the chained immigrant to look tough. Apparently all biden had to do was posting some photos on X and act tough