How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

Probably coming off her most recent ban. Probably won't be with us much longer crying at this rate.

If you know you are right why are you so threatened by any other discussion or decisions on the topic? Why do you have such a hard time staying on topic. You are laser focused on justifying your choices vs staying on topic which is how do kids feel about it? There is an assumption that kids held back doing well are only doing well because they are held back. Reality is they probably would have been fine in either grade. Kids with academic or behavioral issues need more support and holding back doesn’t always fix things.

So, back to the discussion. How do older kids feel about it? How does it impact them as 18-19 year old seniors? Is being the first to drive really a good thing? I personally don’t think so. Is it the best to be the most physically mature like another poster stated? Is it best to not be challenged in school? What is going on with preschools if these kids are not prepared for K as the parents state?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

Probably coming off her most recent ban. Probably won't be with us much longer crying at this rate.

If you know you are right why are you so threatened by any other discussion or decisions on the topic? Why do you have such a hard time staying on topic. You are laser focused on justifying your choices vs staying on topic which is how do kids feel about it? There is an assumption that kids held back doing well are only doing well because they are held back. Reality is they probably would have been fine in either grade. Kids with academic or behavioral issues need more support and holding back doesn’t always fix things.

So, back to the discussion. How do older kids feel about it? How does it impact them as 18-19 year old seniors? Is being the first to drive really a good thing? I personally don’t think so. Is it the best to be the most physically mature like another poster stated? Is it best to not be challenged in school? What is going on with preschools if these kids are not prepared for K as the parents state?

Why don't you just reread this thread? The question has been answered. I guess you're still waiting for some unicorn to come and make your point for you. Redshirted kids are doing just fine. There's plenty of data to support that. You just won't bother to read it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

Probably coming off her most recent ban. Probably won't be with us much longer crying at this rate.

If you know you are right why are you so threatened by any other discussion or decisions on the topic? Why do you have such a hard time staying on topic. You are laser focused on justifying your choices vs staying on topic which is how do kids feel about it? There is an assumption that kids held back doing well are only doing well because they are held back. Reality is they probably would have been fine in either grade. Kids with academic or behavioral issues need more support and holding back doesn’t always fix things.

So, back to the discussion. How do older kids feel about it? How does it impact them as 18-19 year old seniors? Is being the first to drive really a good thing? I personally don’t think so. Is it the best to be the most physically mature like another poster stated? Is it best to not be challenged in school? What is going on with preschools if these kids are not prepared for K as the parents state?

Why don't you just reread this thread? The question has been answered. I guess you're still waiting for some unicorn to come and make your point for you. Redshirted kids are doing just fine. There's plenty of data to support that. You just won't bother to read it.

No, you have turned it into the same argument to prove you are right that all kids with spring, summer and early fall birthdays should be held back. I have read the thread. However the topic is on how do older kids feel about it? There is data both ways on kids are fine and kids are not fine and why it’s a bad idea. You are only looking at one sided data to prove you were right to hold your kids back. But, again the data is not the discussion. The discussion is about how these kids feel who were held back. Data is not feelings. Anytime someone says their kids are fine going on time you argue why they are not.

Does that boost your ego to name call?

But, here is an article for you on future possible outcomes.

https://ed.stanford.edu/in-the-media/does-redshirting-kindergarteners-harm-or-help-years-go?newsletter=true

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

Probably coming off her most recent ban. Probably won't be with us much longer crying at this rate.

If you know you are right why are you so threatened by any other discussion or decisions on the topic? Why do you have such a hard time staying on topic. You are laser focused on justifying your choices vs staying on topic which is how do kids feel about it? There is an assumption that kids held back doing well are only doing well because they are held back. Reality is they probably would have been fine in either grade. Kids with academic or behavioral issues need more support and holding back doesn’t always fix things.

So, back to the discussion. How do older kids feel about it? How does it impact them as 18-19 year old seniors? Is being the first to drive really a good thing? I personally don’t think so. Is it the best to be the most physically mature like another poster stated? Is it best to not be challenged in school? What is going on with preschools if these kids are not prepared for K as the parents state?

Why don't you just reread this thread? The question has been answered. I guess you're still waiting for some unicorn to come and make your point for you. Redshirted kids are doing just fine. There's plenty of data to support that. You just won't bother to read it.

No, you have turned it into the same argument to prove you are right that all kids with spring, summer and early fall birthdays should be held back. I have read the thread. However the topic is on how do older kids feel about it? There is data both ways on kids are fine and kids are not fine and why it’s a bad idea. You are only looking at one sided data to prove you were right to hold your kids back. But, again the data is not the discussion. The discussion is about how these kids feel who were held back. Data is not feelings. Anytime someone says their kids are fine going on time you argue why they are not.

Does that boost your ego to name call?

But, here is an article for you on future possible outcomes.

https://ed.stanford.edu/in-the-media/does-redshirting-kindergarteners-harm-or-help-years-go?newsletter=true

Me? Lol. There are several people here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

Probably coming off her most recent ban. Probably won't be with us much longer crying at this rate.

If you know you are right why are you so threatened by any other discussion or decisions on the topic? Why do you have such a hard time staying on topic. You are laser focused on justifying your choices vs staying on topic which is how do kids feel about it? There is an assumption that kids held back doing well are only doing well because they are held back. Reality is they probably would have been fine in either grade. Kids with academic or behavioral issues need more support and holding back doesn’t always fix things.

So, back to the discussion. How do older kids feel about it? How does it impact them as 18-19 year old seniors? Is being the first to drive really a good thing? I personally don’t think so. Is it the best to be the most physically mature like another poster stated? Is it best to not be challenged in school? What is going on with preschools if these kids are not prepared for K as the parents state?

Why don't you just reread this thread? The question has been answered. I guess you're still waiting for some unicorn to come and make your point for you. Redshirted kids are doing just fine. There's plenty of data to support that. You just won't bother to read it.

No, you have turned it into the same argument to prove you are right that all kids with spring, summer and early fall birthdays should be held back. I have read the thread. However the topic is on how do older kids feel about it? There is data both ways on kids are fine and kids are not fine and why it’s a bad idea. You are only looking at one sided data to prove you were right to hold your kids back. But, again the data is not the discussion. The discussion is about how these kids feel who were held back. Data is not feelings. Anytime someone says their kids are fine going on time you argue why they are not.

Does that boost your ego to name call?

But, here is an article for you on future possible outcomes.

https://ed.stanford.edu/in-the-media/does-redshirting-kindergarteners-harm-or-help-years-go?newsletter=true

An article about what happened to kids redshirted in 1985? Cool story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

Probably coming off her most recent ban. Probably won't be with us much longer crying at this rate.

If you know you are right why are you so threatened by any other discussion or decisions on the topic? Why do you have such a hard time staying on topic. You are laser focused on justifying your choices vs staying on topic which is how do kids feel about it? There is an assumption that kids held back doing well are only doing well because they are held back. Reality is they probably would have been fine in either grade. Kids with academic or behavioral issues need more support and holding back doesn’t always fix things.

So, back to the discussion. How do older kids feel about it? How does it impact them as 18-19 year old seniors? Is being the first to drive really a good thing? I personally don’t think so. Is it the best to be the most physically mature like another poster stated? Is it best to not be challenged in school? What is going on with preschools if these kids are not prepared for K as the parents state?

Why don't you just reread this thread? The question has been answered. I guess you're still waiting for some unicorn to come and make your point for you. Redshirted kids are doing just fine. There's plenty of data to support that. You just won't bother to read it.

No, you have turned it into the same argument to prove you are right that all kids with spring, summer and early fall birthdays should be held back. I have read the thread. However the topic is on how do older kids feel about it? There is data both ways on kids are fine and kids are not fine and why it’s a bad idea. You are only looking at one sided data to prove you were right to hold your kids back. But, again the data is not the discussion. The discussion is about how these kids feel who were held back. Data is not feelings. Anytime someone says their kids are fine going on time you argue why they are not.

Does that boost your ego to name call?

But, here is an article for you on future possible outcomes.

https://ed.stanford.edu/in-the-media/does-redshirting-kindergarteners-harm-or-help-years-go?newsletter=true

An article about what happened to kids redshirted in 1985? Cool story.

It’s more recent than the statistics posted above and the article is relevant even though you don’t like what it says. It’s the outcome which is what the holding back bully was asking for.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Natural law redshirter makes an appearance!! Oh crazy lady, I love your totally nuts posts. Please tell us more about how it’s natural law that cutoffs should be Jan 1. Love those posts.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

I’m in NY where public school cut off is 12/31, and private school cut offs vary between 9/1 and 12/31. My kids have September and November bdays and are probably attending a private school with a December cutoff. I plan to redshirt both of them. They would both turn 18 in their senior year of high school. So anti redshirter really can’t do math. The vast majority of redshirts are not May birthdays and won’t turn 19 in high school.

What’s ridiculous is the lack of a standardized cutoff across the country and even locally. The curriculum and testing is fairly standardized across the country so there is no reason that a child with a fall birthday should be able to start K in NY at 4, but that same child would start a full year later in California or Illinois where the cutoff is 9/1. In NY, the 12/31 cutoff is a way to provide childcare to lower income families. That is admirable, but at the same time, is not a solution based on increasing academic and behavioral expection of kindergarteners

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Who gives a flying fart how old someone is when they start college?