How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

You are speaking to the natural law anti-redshirter. She is certifiable. She believes that it is natural law that school cutoffs go Jan 1-Dec 31 regardless of what actual schools do, and considers all fall-born children to be redshirted even if they went on time for their district. Her posts are delightfully free of any attachment to what could be considered reality.

Of course your logic is correct, but she lives in an alternate reality and won’t understand your logic.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

This is from 2015 and only on one primary state and a really select study. This isn’t o inclusive. This study looks at 2010-2012. And, sone information goes back further. Read the posts here. It’s Feb to August which is more than two months. It’s also far more common in privates or richer areas.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

This is off topic as the discussions is feelings but this would be more current. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

This is from 2015 and only on one primary state and a really select study. This isn’t o inclusive. This study looks at 2010-2012. And, sone information goes back further. Read the posts here. It’s Feb to August which is more than two months. It’s also far more common in privates or richer areas.

If you can provide data from a better study, please post the link. Otherwise, this is the best data available. It is from Virginia so relevant to the DMV area. It is also relatively recent with data from only ~10 years ago.

The overwhelming majority of redshirted kids are less than 2 months from the cutoff. That is the conclusion from this rigorous scientific study.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

This is from 2015 and only on one primary state and a really select study. This isn’t o inclusive. This study looks at 2010-2012. And, sone information goes back further. Read the posts here. It’s Feb to August which is more than two months. It’s also far more common in privates or richer areas.

If you can provide data from a better study, please post the link. Otherwise, this is the best data available. It is from Virginia so relevant to the DMV area. It is also relatively recent with data from only ~10 years ago.

The overwhelming majority of redshirted kids are less than 2 months from the cutoff. That is the conclusion from this rigorous scientific study.

Just posted it and that’s not inclusive. So, why slam other studies that old but post old ones? Redshirting is February to September or the cut off date. So, more than two months.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

This is off topic as the discussions is feelings but this would be more current. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/

This provides zero data on birthday relative to cutoff date from redshirted kids. It is irrelevant to the discussion here because there is no data.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

You are speaking to the natural law anti-redshirter. She is certifiable. She believes that it is natural law that school cutoffs go Jan 1-Dec 31 regardless of what actual schools do, and considers all fall-born children to be redshirted even if they went on time for their district. Her posts are delightfully free of any attachment to what could be considered reality.

Of course your logic is correct, but she lives in an alternate reality and won’t understand your logic.

You are making up stuff and refuse to stay on topic. The topic is hoe so kids feel about it. The issue isn’t fall kids. The issue is February to august. For fall kids it’s a choice. How do you not understand this. You live in an alternate reality and struggle to keep on topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Where are you getting two months? It’s not just July and august kids. It generally is March to august but sometime February as well. That is more than two months. There can easily be a six month spread.

Why don't you put some numbers around this. How many kids are redshirted in each of those months vs total student population. Let's see how trivial it is.

Here is a study of Virginia showing the overwhelming majority are less than 2 months from the cutoff. Figure 1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279193160_Investigating_the_Prevalence_of_Academic_Redshirting_Using_Population-Level_Data

This is off topic as the discussions is feelings but this would be more current. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/

This provides zero data on birthday relative to cutoff date from redshirted kids. It is irrelevant to the discussion here because there is no data.

It absolutely provided a lot of data. But again the topic is feelings not data.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

You are speaking to the natural law anti-redshirter. She is certifiable. She believes that it is natural law that school cutoffs go Jan 1-Dec 31 regardless of what actual schools do, and considers all fall-born children to be redshirted even if they went on time for their district. Her posts are delightfully free of any attachment to what could be considered reality.

Of course your logic is correct, but she lives in an alternate reality and won’t understand your logic.

You are making up stuff and refuse to stay on topic. The topic is hoe so kids feel about it. The issue isn’t fall kids. The issue is February to august. For fall kids it’s a choice. How do you not understand this. You live in an alternate reality and struggle to keep on topic.

Funny that you're the one rambling and veering way off topic. And then demand everyone else stay on topic. The redshirted kids feel fine about being redshirted. Nobody cares how you feel about them.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

You are speaking to the natural law anti-redshirter. She is certifiable. She believes that it is natural law that school cutoffs go Jan 1-Dec 31 regardless of what actual schools do, and considers all fall-born children to be redshirted even if they went on time for their district. Her posts are delightfully free of any attachment to what could be considered reality.

Of course your logic is correct, but she lives in an alternate reality and won’t understand your logic.

You are making up stuff and refuse to stay on topic. The topic is hoe so kids feel about it. The issue isn’t fall kids. The issue is February to august. For fall kids it’s a choice. How do you not understand this. You live in an alternate reality and struggle to keep on topic.

Funny that you're the one rambling and veering way off topic. And then demand everyone else stay on topic. The redshirted kids feel fine about being redshirted. Nobody cares how you feel about them.

Where is the data on that? Sone feel fine with it, sone don’t. You cannot say all kids are ok with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a July birthday and October birthday girl both sent on time. It’s definitely better to be older but I’ll tell you it’s not totally straight forward.

1. Unless significantly older, kids don’t really think it’s a big deal that a kid was redshirted when close to the cut off date. People telling you otherwise here that it’s some sort of social stigma are stupid and just pushing their agenda. An august birthday held back bc of a couple weeks isn’t going to invite more than transient commentary from peers.

2. Being older does build confidence, but these are also the kids who tend to be the bullies and Queen bees at school. Without fail, the queen bee girl is always one of the oldest, maybe not redshirted but the fall birthdays. In middle school and high school these are the kids who are more mature in bad ways too. The younger kids seem to escape the pitfalls of teenage trouble more often being a little less mature than peers. This is just what I’ve noticed as a general pattern. Social maturity comes with costs.

3. Being older as a girl can have puberty related pitfalls - but for a smaller girl this probably won’t be a huge issue unless early puberty runs in the family. The trauma of being the girl with boobs and a developing body in 3rd/4th grade cannot be overstated - this is much worse for a girls self esteem in the long haul. For boys it’s very different and their issues are the opposite (being small and underdeveloped being an issue) so redshirted benefits them much more in that way.

These are all good points. It’s very hard to guess this as a five year old but usually holding back is for leadership or sports so the ultra competitive parents. It’s impossible to guess a boys growth patterns. Mine was slow and steady and come 8th started to catch up. Kids do notice age and classes come high school when you can have a 9th grader taking algebra or precalculus. It’s not as simple as size and they self segregate based on classes and activities. Many math, pe, music, art, foreign language classes are mixed in terms of grades in public schools. So, they may not get all the advantages in public of being the oldest given if they are older they should in theory be on the higher tracks and then their classes will be mixed grades. So, how would your senior who is 18 turning 19 feel about being in a class with a 14-15 year old?

Why are people making up issues and pretending they bother anyone? Put up some data that backs any of this up and stop talking out your butt. Do you really think older seniors are having some existential crisis about being a few months older than some of their peers? Someone is always going to be the oldest and someone is the youngest. Redshirted kids aren't failing in life despite all the hand wringing in here about the made up issues.

I’m pretty sure that is one of the crazy anti-redshirters. Your logic won’t work on her.

There is data on both sides. However you are looking at it only from holding kids back and needing to justify it and cannot stay on topic which is how do kids feel about it? I could put data up but that is not the topic. You can always google.

Go away weirdo.

Also you are unlikely to come out ahead in a data analysis discussion, because you can’t do even basic math.

So, instead of a discussion the best you can do is name call? There is data on both sides and you can google it if you are interested. I very much can do math and a child held back from January to June would turn 19 in high school.

The discussion is not about data but about how the kids feel about it? Start your own thread to name call, bully and discuss, although you are not capable of discussion, data.

You still can’t do math. Lol. Poor thing.

If you hold back a year they are 18 going in as seniors and turn 19. How is that hard to get? Funny how you cannot have a civil discussion. They turn 18 in spring of junior year.

Typically redshirted kids the youngest in their grade to begin with, so they are less than a few months from the cutoff. Let’s say the cutoff is Sept 1st and it is an August birthday. Summer birthdays are the norm.

So in their last year of high school, they do not turn 19 until after graduation and before college. They are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. It is actually pretty trivial.

Except in NY and a few other areas fall kids miss the cutoff. That is not redshirting. Redshirting is generally February to August birthdays with the primary being March to July. So, March to June would turn 19. It’s not pretty trivial. Then they start college at 19 instead of 18.

Redshirted kids normally are no more than a few months older than the kids following the regular cutoffs. Most commonly less than 2 months. Please explain why this is not trivial?

Our primer k and k pulls forward March-august kids for redshirting. It is way beyond July and august. Which makes it such that the kids spring and summer “starting on time” are like 1 or 2 total per room. Usually transplants who moved to the area and get blindsided later by the age groupings.