Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Wonder if he slipped in when the DD delivery dropped off food? Also, wasn't there a report of the front door being open in the morning? Did he come in that way and leave out back?

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

It does to the parents of the dead kids.

Are you one of them? Stop obsessing about the roommate.

You don't have to care. I care.

You miss the forest for the trees.

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One time I did not call police when I should have in college because I was high and worried what would happen if the cops knew that fact. I'm not suggesting that is what happened here, but there are 100000 reasons why she may not have called. Her mind does not function like those of us that have adulted for much longer, parents, life experience, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

When I was in college, a drunk football player who was mad at my roommate came to our room one night with a friend and banged on the (locked) door for about ten minutes yelling that he was going to kill us when he got in. I knew both guys by names, faces and voices and looked out the peephole to confirm that it was them. My roommate wasn't there; I was alone and called campus police. He heard this and took off. Campus police told me that because I had not opened the door to confirm that it was him, it would be his word against mine, and they could do nothing.

That's why women don't call.

Stop being a victim. Women CAN, and should DEMAND police protection from predators, but that takes a budget. So why exactly the “defund the police”
help?

Oh, and if that happens to anyone else here, tape the threat on your phone if possible. In any case, you GO to the police department, and make them file a written report and you get a copy.

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Anonymous wrote:One time I did not call police when I should have in college because I was high and worried what would happen if the cops knew that fact. I'm not suggesting that is what happened here, but there are 100000 reasons why she may not have called. Her mind does not function like those of us that have adulted for much longer, parents, life experience, etc.

I agree but I work at a university and we have a lot of rules preventing action against reporters who are drunk/high. This has changed since we are in school and we train the kids to always call for help. That being said, she was probably drunk, it was a big party night, and she probably thought it was a random from the frat party down the street who was leaving anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline is very fast. He is seen in his car still driving at 4:04 towards the house and then is seen driving away from the house at 4:20. Since he had to park and walk into the house and then walk back out again, he can't have been in the house for more than about 10-12 minutes. Xana was still on Tik Tok at 4:12.

The surviving roommate was awoken by a noise from the floor above her (exact time unknown) and then heard some crying and the dog barking and that was it before he walked past her. While she might have been sleepy and somewhat still inebriated, usually when you go listen outside your door because you heard a sound that caught your attention, you are very attuned to any noises. He was very quiet. I don't know if it has been released yet if the two girls on the 3rd floor were asleep or awake when they were killed. Xana was awake. Her boyfriend may have been asleep as he had to work in the morning.

The speed and quietness are both interesting factors about this case. I wonder if on one of his previous 12 casing missions, he had gone into the house before and knew the layout.

I think so. It is eerie and gross that he knew which were their rooms. I can't get over him having visited the area TWELVE times.

I can't wait for him to be caught pertaining to other murders in PA and/or WA and/or ID. People like him truly think they are above the law - the arrogance.

Also, having some of my DC about the age of the victims, a public hanging for him might suffice.

If he targeted one girl in particular, hypothetically Kaylee (it was her room in which the two girls were found together?), he might have known which room was hers just from casing the house. Unlikely she closed her curtains all the time, so he would have been able to figure it out. The other kids may well have been collateral damage, just wrong place wrong time.

Since he drove by the house 12 times, I'd be anything that he was obsessed with one of the girls. My money is on Madison--she was the prettiest, most striking etc. Look at the video outside the food truck. She is gorgeous. Clearly I think the couple was not his obsession.
The only thing is--did he mainly plan on killing one person (Madison or Kaylee) and figured the other one would likely have to be done away with as well and then killed the other two as collateral damage?
Or did he arrive knowing he would be killing 1 or even all 4? Clearly it he didn't intend to kill "exactly 4" because then why not kill 5 and 6? Plus it seems so unlikely that anyone (even a psychopath) would believe they could stab 4 young, healthy adults to death without the neighbors knowing.

I really think he arrived to kill one and 2/3/4 were all done away with to protect himself.

I find it really distasteful, bordering on disgusting that you are speculating about a brutal murder by discussing how hot the victims are.

There is a long history of sexualizing female crime victims and you are basically being a bro with this psychopath, like saying he has good taste or something.

Rape and murder are not anywhere on the spectrum of dating. Stop saying your can relate to this guys' choices. Really, you are getting more ugly than you realize.

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Anonymous wrote:One time I did not call police when I should have in college because I was high and worried what would happen if the cops knew that fact. I'm not suggesting that is what happened here, but there are 100000 reasons why she may not have called. Her mind does not function like those of us that have adulted for much longer, parents, life experience, etc.

I agree but I work at a university and we have a lot of rules preventing action against reporters who are drunk/high. This has changed since we are in school and we train the kids to always call for help. That being said, she was probably drunk, it was a big party night, and she probably thought it was a random from the frat party down the street who was leaving anyway.

That is good to know!

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe he walked right by the housemate and didn’t kill her. It’s really notable.

Agree.I posted same upthread. So odd after murdering 4 people in 10 minutes. But fortunately that’s what happened.

I wouldn’t call it Odd, he’s a sociopath. That’s what make these things so scary is that the behavior does not make any sense in any way to a normal mind. True sociopaths are rare, and it’s frightening what they are capable of.

I don't think that is true, actually. The sociopath's primary objective is to get to keep sociopath-ing. That includes murdering, where murder is the manifestation of sociopathy. Leaving an eyewitness behind is anathema to that, which is what is so odd about this. Maybe he didn't see her. It probably takes a lot of energy and some tunnel vision to kill people hand-to-hand, as he did.

I have hard these type of people say they wanted to get caught. That they could not control their impulses. So I am not sure that your "insights" hold water.

It is complex. No one is all good or all evil. Obviously, this guy could pull off both when he wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder if he slipped in when the DD delivery dropped off food? Also, wasn't there a report of the front door being open in the morning? Did he come in that way and leave out back?

I doubt he needed a diversion to slip in. I'm sure one or more doors were routinely unlocked.

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Anonymous wrote:The mask “covered his moth and nose.” She described his eyebrows as bushy. So she saw his eyes, and he had to have seen her.

One Reddit theory is that he was likely exhausted and didn’t care to. Though I am curious if him returning later that morning was to come back and kill the living roommates or to look for the knife sheath.

He must have been exhausted and maybe cut/injured himself that he was a bit disoriented. I think he was planning to get the knife sheath and kill the other roommates.

I don't think he ever planned to re-enter the house. I think he was looking for police activity. No one was awake at 9am. If he wanted to re-enter, he easily could have.

I don't think he would go back into the scene of the crime after daybreak - there were cameras on the house, and even he isn't that stupid.

For all we know, he didn't realize he left the knife sheath behind.

When he disposed of the weapon, wouldn't he wonder where it was?

There is no sanity in this. People who do this go back to the crime scene because they are compelled to. That’s why police often conduct surveillance at a crime scene as well as look for people who are trying to inject themselves into the investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? qI can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

Yep. The people lining up to question why the roommate didn't call the police may be lucky ones who've never had the "pleasure" of being on the other end of how patronizing and unhelpful police can be. Possibly drunk young college woman in the night, even more so.

I am not saying she should have jumped to calling the police. But to say you were frozen in fear (your inner survival mode is kicking in here telling you something is wrong) and then just lock yourself in your bedroom without texting or calling your roommates to see whats going on? They were good friends by all accounts and you don't go check on at least the friend down the hall from you? She got up to open her door 3 times based on noises so she was not so drunk to not hear that she couldnt hear people talking down the hallway. No it's not her fault her roomates got murdered but as a parent of the murdered kids, I'd have a lot of questions on why she chose inaction.

NP. I agree with this. I'm trying not to cast judgment on this girl, but many people err on the side of being passive bystanders rather than investigating or caring enough to take action. I've seen it personally in my life and and am deeply bothered by people like in the Lululemon murders who heard screams and were so passive they did nothing. Of course they're not responsible for the deaths. But people who are like this bother me because of their apathy towards others. It's weakness and lack of caring. With that said, I'm trying hard not to judge this girl without knowing really what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. The surviving roommate heard and saw the suspect leave. A shame.

Sounds like solid DNA evidence.

SAW him!! SAW him!! Why didn’t she dial 911 right after???!? Maybe some could have been saved!

It is very strange. Obviously knowing what we know, that they were murdered, we would’ve called 911. But I wonder if she didn’t realize what was happening. If she knew a crime was occurring and didn’t call the police for even hours, I would be baffled at that. But if she thought it was normal shenanigans, then I can see why she didn’t think anything of it until later when she put two into together.

From the sound of it I don’t think anybody would have been saved. I’m glad BK was an idiot and left the evidence he did, and was cut so quickly. I am impressed at the throne us of the investigation, and how they were able to catch him.

Note how many armchair sleuths were calling them bumbling small town cops.

People on the internet should be patient and humble when they have so little to go on.

The strange sexual assaults at fast food joints by a caller who said he was a cop, and compelled managers to sexually assault their colleagues was solved a ‘bumbling police officer’ in KY. Or should I say dogged, as in determined to not drop it like so many other officers did. Ended up teaming up with a MA cop from another small town, who also wouldn’t give up.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the suriviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

There is every reason to believe this was the case, hence the absence of noise.

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Anonymous wrote:The mask “covered his moth and nose.” She described his eyebrows as bushy. So she saw his eyes, and he had to have seen her.

One Reddit theory is that he was likely exhausted and didn’t care to. Though I am curious if him returning later that morning was to come back and kill the living roommates or to look for the knife sheath.

He must have been exhausted and maybe cut/injured himself that he was a bit disoriented. I think he was planning to get the knife sheath and kill the other roommates.

I don't think he ever planned to re-enter the house. I think he was looking for police activity. No one was awake at 9am. If he wanted to re-enter, he easily could have.

I don't think he would go back into the scene of the crime after daybreak - there were cameras on the house, and even he isn't that stupid.

For all we know, he didn't realize he left the knife sheath behind.

Read.the.affadavit.

He did go back.

The affidavit states his phone pinged "near the house" the next morning.

Yes. I’m not saying he went in. I definitely don’t think he did. But he drove all the way home, 10 miles away, and then his phone pinged back near the crime house several hours later.

Maybe he hoped he dropped the sheath wherever he parked the car and was looking for it.

Interesting thing about the sheath is there was only one drop of dna retrieved from the snap? He almost certainly wore gloves but maybe was sloppy for just a moment?

He always used gloves when handling the knife sheath? Even when not allegedly in the house?

The sloppiest of slop!

This case gets more and more bizarre every day

Yes, it's so weird that he messed up and left DNA at the scene and also had his phone on during his earlier drive-bys, etc. He really should have left it at home anytime he was anywhere in the vicinity of the house, university, etc. he messed up in such big ways for someone who studied crime scenes as a discipline. It almost seems like he wanted to get caught. Very odd.

The DNA on the snap could have been older.

Please read John Douglas’s books so you can understand a little better.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? qI can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

Yep. The people lining up to question why the roommate didn't call the police may be lucky ones who've never had the "pleasure" of being on the other end of how patronizing and unhelpful police can be. Possibly drunk young college woman in the night, even more so.

I am not saying she should have jumped to calling the police. But to say you were frozen in fear (your inner survival mode is kicking in here telling you something is wrong) and then just lock yourself in your bedroom without texting or calling your roommates to see whats going on? They were good friends by all accounts and you don't go check on at least the friend down the hall from you? She got up to open her door 3 times based on noises so she was not so drunk to not hear that she couldnt hear people talking down the hallway. No it's not her fault her roomates got murdered but as a parent of the murdered kids, I'd have a lot of questions on why she chose inaction.

NP. I agree with this. I'm trying not to cast judgment on this girl, but many people err on the side of being passive bystanders rather than investigating or caring enough to take action. I've seen it personally in my life and and am deeply bothered by people like in the Lululemon murders who heard screams and were so passive they did nothing. Of course they're not responsible for the deaths. But people who are like this bother me because of their apathy towards others. It's weakness and lack of caring. With that said, I'm trying hard not to judge this girl without knowing really what happened.

You aren’t trying very hard.