Will Manchin and Sinema crack?

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Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Its not even authorized on a permanent basis - so nothing.

In private meetings with Democrats on Capitol Hill over the past week, including one late Wednesday, White House officials have put forward a cost-cutting alternative. They pitched a new, roughly $100 billion plan that would offer four weeks of paid parental, family and sick leave beginning in 2024, according to three people familiar with the matter who requested anonymity to describe the conversations.

The program would be smaller in size and shorter in duration than what House Democrats unveiled earlier this year, and it would not be authorized on a permanent basis, these people said, though they cautioned that the details are subject to rapidly changing talks and could still change.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Nothing. That’s the problem with pushing through programs that don’t have overwhelming support. Your opponent will just kill it when they get a chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Nothing. That’s the problem with pushing through programs that don’t have overwhelming support. Your opponent will just kill it when they get a chance.

In this case, literally before the programs even begin.

[Anonymous]

I just checked. The ACA was passed in March 2010 and didn't even begin enrollment until January 2013. But Obama won a second term in 2012.

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So the Dems have accomplished nothing?

[Anonymous]

Ya, its great when Sinema proposes something and Manchin rejects it. The clown show continues. They are perfectly happy reaping their 6 and 7 figure bribes while the nation rots.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya, its great when Sinema proposes something and Manchin rejects it. The clown show continues. They are perfectly happy reaping their 6 and 7 figure bribes while the nation rots.

The nation isn't rotting. We're doing quite well thank you very much.

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Anonymous wrote:The liberals on this board don't understand that this nation is not far left like many here. You seem to think this is something the nation wants, It isn't.

If it were, Bernie Sanders would be occupying the oval office.

“Conservatives” like you do not understand how disgusted the nation is with your sh#t. No wants what you are pushing. If we did trump would be occupying the Oval Office.

Dem here - I would have done anything to get Trump out of office but Covid is why I and so many others rose up. Not to vote for rising inflation.

Inflation, Crime, and Afghanistan will destroy the Democrats in 2022. Sprinkle in some Critical Race Theory to add fuel to the fire.

A - the crime wave happened in 2020, guess who was president then?

B - Inflation, I agree with. No one wants to go to the store and pay $5 for milk and $7 for eggs. The House needs to wake up. We asked for Covid action, climate change polices, physical infrastructure, and protection for ACA/RoevWade. That's it.

C - Enough about Afghanistan. Four presidencies wanted out, we're out.

A - and the crime wave has no doubt been made far worse by Democratic led cities defunding police departments and liberal prosecutors opting not to prosecute crime.

And, as for Afghanistan....No, not enough already. Biden f'ed it up and we won't let people forget it. Thirteen service members didn't need to die and 10 innocents didn't need to be sacrificed because of the ineptitude of this administration and the decisions that were made. It is criminal, IMO.

And this is why our country flounders. Because the GOP is good at "messaging" even though their message is total bullshit. And our general public is so ignorant of how our government and how economics actually work, that they lap up the BS and vote for GOP candidates that do nothing but harm but gloss over reality in the name of patriotism and balanced (NOT!) budgets. Then those GOP candidates get to work with their gerrymandering and other cheating, undermining the right to vote for anyone who doesn't support their BS policies, riling people up with their hate speech, lying lying lying, enriching themselves and their rich friends at the expense of the poor and middle class.

But oh yeah, inflation is Biden's fault. Nothing to do with all the various forces at work in our world right now and policies that predate him. Oh no, couldn't possibly be.

Americans are so simple-minded. It's so awful.

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Anonymous wrote:Ya, its great when Sinema proposes something and Manchin rejects it. The clown show continues. They are perfectly happy reaping their 6 and 7 figure bribes while the nation rots.

The nation isn't rotting. We're doing quite well thank you very much.

Yes, if you're in the 1%.

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin just cracked. He’s now set the stage to negotiate a deal on reconciliation. It will definitely come down a lot. I predict it lands somewhere between $2T-$2.5T. A lot of the climate stuff will get chucked or watered down. Both the BIF and reconciliation will pass by the end of October.

LOOOOL Well you were way off the mark. Because something is getting a vote and its not reconciliation.

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why our country flounders. Because the GOP is good at "messaging" even though their message is total bullshit. And our general public is so ignorant of how our government and how economics actually work, that they lap up the BS and vote for GOP candidates that do nothing but harm but gloss over reality in the name of patriotism and balanced (NOT!) budgets. Then those GOP candidates get to work with their gerrymandering and other cheating, undermining the right to vote for anyone who doesn't support their BS policies, riling people up with their hate speech, lying lying lying, enriching themselves and their rich friends at the expense of the poor and middle class.

But oh yeah, inflation is Biden's fault. Nothing to do with all the various forces at work in our world right now and policies that predate him. Oh no, couldn't possibly be.

Americans are so simple-minded. It's so awful.

I agree with you but I blame the media, from the both sides bandits in the corporate conservative media to the wingnuts on the far right. The corporate conservative media never discusses causes or meaning, they just take dictation, and they take it from the terrorists in the GOP and their message, too. The Sunday morning shows all book primarily Republicans whether they’re in power or out. They use the GOP’s framing and talking points.

And that’s before we even discuss the right wing dumb-o-sphere. Fox has literally taken its talking points from Russia. They literally take their marching orders from people opposed to America. And the brainwashed people who watch it think they know the truth?

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Biden will still have a veto from 2022-2024.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I ask...what's stopping Congress from saying these programs will begin in 2024 or 2028, and just canceling them in the interim?

I do wonder what will prevent the Republicans from gutting them hugely when they take power in 22/24?

Biden will still have a veto from 2022-2024.

Government shutdown coming in 1, 2, 3.....

Which will be resolved by the Republicans keeping the infrastructure bill intact in exchange for gutting most of the social bill. I wouldn't be surprised if 2/3ds of it never becomes reality.