Will Manchin and Sinema crack?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm mystified by Sinema. Manchin makes some sense. He's from a very red state and needs to show separation from the party to get enough votes to win. He's also historically been pretty conservative. But Sinema is from a state that is strongly trending blue. Her campaign specifically promoted a bunch of the items that are in the reconciliation bill. That's what she won on. She used to be a Green Party activist! And now her support among democrats in Arizona is in the tank. If she sinks the reconciliation bill, she is guaranteed a strong primary challenge that she will almost certainly lose. It's baffling.

Usually people in these types of jobs/roles are motivated by money, power, or both.

This article, which is admittedly an opinion piece, suggests that power--in the form of attention--is what motivates her.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/kyrsten-sinema-ring-message.html

"...her weirdo politics, which have drastically changed over the years and don’t seem to coalesce into any discernible, deeply-held ideology at all."

"Since the Democrats took control of all three branches of government in January, Sinema has relished her new role as one of just a few Democrats standing in the way of an ambitious progressive wish list."


Sinema rarely speaks to reporters (unlike Manchin who craves the limelight), so this article clearly does not get her at all. If you listen to her talk, she's very even-headed and logical.

"Sinema is behaving like a drama-seeking celebrity caught in a cycle of clap-backs, not like a senator who has the power to block, or implement, policies that would improve the lives of millions."

..."a suggestion that Sinema is as motivated by spite and ego as her most insufferable Republican counterparts."

Perhaps she understands that voting for this nonsense will undermine the dollar, fuel inflation, and perversely encourage drug addicts to have 12 kids for the checks. Maybe she is doing something very difficult:following her conscience under immense pressure to do otherwise.

There is no proof of that. In fact, the tax cut from 2017 is doing more ongoing damage to inflation, the debt and the ability for the Fed to act under strain from COVID impacts. But go on about your unproven economic theories.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm mystified by Sinema. Manchin makes some sense. He's from a very red state and needs to show separation from the party to get enough votes to win. He's also historically been pretty conservative. But Sinema is from a state that is strongly trending blue. Her campaign specifically promoted a bunch of the items that are in the reconciliation bill. That's what she won on. She used to be a Green Party activist! And now her support among democrats in Arizona is in the tank. If she sinks the reconciliation bill, she is guaranteed a strong primary challenge that she will almost certainly lose. It's baffling.

Usually people in these types of jobs/roles are motivated by money, power, or both.

This article, which is admittedly an opinion piece, suggests that power--in the form of attention--is what motivates her.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/kyrsten-sinema-ring-message.html

"...her weirdo politics, which have drastically changed over the years and don’t seem to coalesce into any discernible, deeply-held ideology at all."

"Since the Democrats took control of all three branches of government in January, Sinema has relished her new role as one of just a few Democrats standing in the way of an ambitious progressive wish list."


Sinema rarely speaks to reporters (unlike Manchin who craves the limelight), so this article clearly does not get her at all. If you listen to her talk, she's very even-headed and logical.

"Sinema is behaving like a drama-seeking celebrity caught in a cycle of clap-backs, not like a senator who has the power to block, or implement, policies that would improve the lives of millions."

..."a suggestion that Sinema is as motivated by spite and ego as her most insufferable Republican counterparts."

Perhaps she understands that voting for this nonsense will undermine the dollar, fuel inflation, and perversely encourage drug addicts to have 12 kids for the checks. Maybe she is doing something very difficult:following her conscience under immense pressure to do otherwise.

If it's such nonsense, then why was she running on it just 10 months ago?

[Anonymous]

It's like the GOP in this thread have absolutely no idea of economic theory, much less the practical applications and lessons learned from the US and Europe over the last 40 years. None.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm mystified by Sinema. Manchin makes some sense. He's from a very red state and needs to show separation from the party to get enough votes to win. He's also historically been pretty conservative. But Sinema is from a state that is strongly trending blue. Her campaign specifically promoted a bunch of the items that are in the reconciliation bill. That's what she won on. She used to be a Green Party activist! And now her support among democrats in Arizona is in the tank. If she sinks the reconciliation bill, she is guaranteed a strong primary challenge that she will almost certainly lose. It's baffling.

Usually people in these types of jobs/roles are motivated by money, power, or both.

This article, which is admittedly an opinion piece, suggests that power--in the form of attention--is what motivates her.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/kyrsten-sinema-ring-message.html

"...her weirdo politics, which have drastically changed over the years and don’t seem to coalesce into any discernible, deeply-held ideology at all."

"Since the Democrats took control of all three branches of government in January, Sinema has relished her new role as one of just a few Democrats standing in the way of an ambitious progressive wish list."


Sinema rarely speaks to reporters (unlike Manchin who craves the limelight), so this article clearly does not get her at all. If you listen to her talk, she's very even-headed and logical.

"Sinema is behaving like a drama-seeking celebrity caught in a cycle of clap-backs, not like a senator who has the power to block, or implement, policies that would improve the lives of millions."

..."a suggestion that Sinema is as motivated by spite and ego as her most insufferable Republican counterparts."

Perhaps she understands that voting for this nonsense will undermine the dollar, fuel inflation, and perversely encourage drug addicts to have 12 kids for the checks. Maybe she is doing something very difficult:following her conscience under immense pressure to do otherwise.

If it's such nonsense, then why was she running on it just 10 months ago?

She wasn’t running just ten months ago?

[Anonymous]

Uh, yes she was, go watch her campaign ads and the debates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A rising tide lifts all boats. Including yours, OP.

I mean, does it, tho?

How are higher taxes lifting my boat? […]

Well, we’ve tried the GOP’s strategy of taking away the boats from everyone except yacht owners for forty years, to the detriment of everyone but the 1%. Maybe let’s try something different, like the humane and intelligent strategies from the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A rising tide lifts all boats. Including yours, OP.

I mean, does it, tho?

How are higher taxes lifting my boat? […]

Well, we’ve tried the GOP’s strategy of taking away the boats from everyone except yacht owners for forty years, to the detriment of everyone but the 1%. Maybe let’s try something different, like the humane and intelligent strategies from the Democrats.

Some of its good. The money to people to take care of of children that aren’t directly theirs is an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh, yes she was, go watch her campaign ads and the debates.

She won in 2018.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh, yes she was, go watch her campaign ads and the debates.

No, she got elected in 2018. But the point is still valid. She’s now against the platform she ran on. Prescription price negotiation was front and center in her campaign. Now she’s against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If so what taxes are still on the table? I mean anyone have any ideas what would still be on the table to pay for the human infrastructure 3.5t bill? It would prob be like a 2t bill if they agree, but would step up basis come back into it? No joke I stand to inherit money. I don’t care about anything you soak the rich idiots think. I just want to know what taxes are still feasible. They should pass the 1.2t infrastructure alone, but all these progressive fks are whining they’ll tank that without the other, so what’s in it? Does it usher in socialism in perpetuity through couched language? I hate trump ans McConnel but at least they weren’t trying to screw everyone by taxing them to death out of “fairness”.

I do not think step up will come back into play. There is a huge coalition against it, particularly farmers. Dem Senator Tester owns a huge farm, so it’s hard to see 50 votes for step up on the dem side. Even carryover basis for heirs would be hard to administer as it would often mean trying to find out the basis of an asset from a dead person.

If you’re paying attention to the estate, pay attention to exclusion cap. The proposal is to lower it from 11 million pp to 5 million pp. That sounds like a lot, but if there are several kids and the family is trying to hang on to assets to pay for things like unexpected healthcare or long term care needs or to pay for college and grad school, 5 million doesn’t go very far. Anyway the lowering the estate and gift exclusion isn’t going to mean better capturing the wealth of the Gates and Bezos of this world who just leave money to charity and trusts or offshore.

[Anonymous]

What does Sinema even want? Manchin at least seems to be willing to negotiate for stuff, but Sinema doesn’t even seem to have an ask - neither for herself nor for Arizona.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm mystified by Sinema. Manchin makes some sense. He's from a very red state and needs to show separation from the party to get enough votes to win. He's also historically been pretty conservative. But Sinema is from a state that is strongly trending blue. Her campaign specifically promoted a bunch of the items that are in the reconciliation bill. That's what she won on. She used to be a Green Party activist! And now her support among democrats in Arizona is in the tank. If she sinks the reconciliation bill, she is guaranteed a strong primary challenge that she will almost certainly lose. It's baffling.

Actually Manchin is the bigger enigma. The programs included in the $3.5T bill are wildly popular in WV, but Manchin ignores that.

Sinema is easy to figure out: she's a straight-up sellout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm mystified by Sinema. Manchin makes some sense. He's from a very red state and needs to show separation from the party to get enough votes to win. He's also historically been pretty conservative. But Sinema is from a state that is strongly trending blue. Her campaign specifically promoted a bunch of the items that are in the reconciliation bill. That's what she won on. She used to be a Green Party activist! And now her support among democrats in Arizona is in the tank. If she sinks the reconciliation bill, she is guaranteed a strong primary challenge that she will almost certainly lose. It's baffling.

Actually Manchin is the bigger enigma. The programs included in the $3.5T bill are wildly popular in WV, but Manchin ignores that.

Sinema is easy to figure out: she's a straight-up sellout.

Manchin can be worked with. Sinema is just peacocking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It makes be very nervous that we have only 2 humans protecting the country from insanity.

This. So scary. If people think inflation doesn’t matter and/Or doesn’t hurt the poor…..please stay strong Joe & Krysten!!!

Do you feel that way about the military budget?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm mystified by Sinema. Manchin makes some sense. He's from a very red state and needs to show separation from the party to get enough votes to win. He's also historically been pretty conservative. But Sinema is from a state that is strongly trending blue. Her campaign specifically promoted a bunch of the items that are in the reconciliation bill. That's what she won on. She used to be a Green Party activist! And now her support among democrats in Arizona is in the tank. If she sinks the reconciliation bill, she is guaranteed a strong primary challenge that she will almost certainly lose. It's baffling.

Usually people in these types of jobs/roles are motivated by money, power, or both.

This article, which is admittedly an opinion piece, suggests that power--in the form of attention--is what motivates her.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/04/kyrsten-sinema-ring-message.html

"...her weirdo politics, which have drastically changed over the years and don’t seem to coalesce into any discernible, deeply-held ideology at all."

"Since the Democrats took control of all three branches of government in January, Sinema has relished her new role as one of just a few Democrats standing in the way of an ambitious progressive wish list."


Sinema rarely speaks to reporters (unlike Manchin who craves the limelight), so this article clearly does not get her at all. If you listen to her talk, she's very even-headed and logical.

"Sinema is behaving like a drama-seeking celebrity caught in a cycle of clap-backs, not like a senator who has the power to block, or implement, policies that would improve the lives of millions."

..."a suggestion that Sinema is as motivated by spite and ego as her most insufferable Republican counterparts."

Perhaps she understands that voting for this nonsense will undermine the dollar, fuel inflation, and perversely encourage drug addicts to have 12 kids for the checks. Maybe she is doing something very difficult:following her conscience under immense pressure to do otherwise.

Then she might want to say that. If she has demands or concerns, she hasn’t mentioned them. I mean maybe this is it or maybe she’s waiting for anew UFO pad at Roswell to be added. No one has a clue. Apparently, that includes her.