Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

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Lots of employees will work without pay indefinitely, and many of them are in sensitive and critical positions. People really don’t understand how bad shutdowns are.

BOP prison guards
Law enforcement agents (FBI, DEA, etc.)
Federal firefighters, including those who have been fighting wildfires out west
Military, since they have not even passed the defense bill
TSA
Air traffic controllers
Border Patrol
Customs agents
CIA

Does anyone remember the food lines during the 2018-2019 shutdowns? Many families in this area are one or two paychecks away from disaster.

I'm so tired of this dysfunction.

It is the Republicans.

Why is there anyone left who votes for them??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is leave retroactively applied as well?

Yes.

What does this mean? I thought you couldn’t take leave if you were furloughed.

Sorry, I thought you meant accrued.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, what happens to Social Security payments and veterans disability payments during a shutdown? I assume these would be suspended because this would be a complete shutdown, not a partial one like 2018-2019.

Do they really expect old people to peacefully stand by when the don't get their monthly checks? In the 1980s, When Dan Rostenkowski tried to cut social security, old people attacked his car and threatened him when he made public appearances. Now it's the Boomers receiving Social Security, and I can't see them taking this quietly.

They will get their checks. SSA has those employees work during shutdowns. After the 2013 shutdowns, almost everyone is excepted and still has to work. This is why the public doesn't care as much about shutdowns.

Democrats should use this to repeal whatever the 2013 shutdown created. If there's a shutdown, it is a shutdown. Essential work is still being done because feds have to show up. So there's no pain. They are happy to keep voting for these clowns because they still get their checks.

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Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)

They will force TSA to work unpaid.

That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?

Lots of employees will work without pay indefinitely, and many of them are in sensitive and critical positions. People really don’t understand how bad shutdowns are.

Military works without pay as well. We worked for 16 days in 2013. Many, many enlisted military live paycheck to paycheck. Many live below the poverty level even with their paychecks. It will be really difficult

We volunteered at a Coast Guard food bank during the last shutdown in 2018 and it was heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the shutdown happens on Oct. 1, it will be in the middle of a pay period (for many feds). Does anyone know if feds on that pay schedule will be paid for the first week of the pay period now (as opposed to after the shutdown)?

Yes. This happened to me during on shutdown. The funds are appropriated until 10/1. So, you will be paid on time for work done prior to 10/1. But manage expectations. The check is mallet than you think it will be, because thinks like full FEHB premiums and feelings come out of half your pay

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the shutdown happens on Oct. 1, it will be in the middle of a pay period (for many feds). Does anyone know if feds on that pay schedule will be paid for the first week of the pay period now (as opposed to after the shutdown)?

It will be paid after the shutdown ends. No one will be there to process your payroll.

I know for a fact this is untrue if Department of the Interior is your payroll processor. People who process payroll (and managers who sign off) will be excepted long enough to get out pay already earned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am i allowed to work elsewhere during the pandemic (ex uber or doordash)? I have some big trips planned for next year and would like to supplement if i have the time.

Gotta clear it through ethics. I’d start that process immediately.

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Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)

They will force TSA to work unpaid.

That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?

Most of the federal work force is GS-10 and below and works outside the DMV. Don’t let the high concentration of federal lawyers you know fool you.

And yes, it’s shitty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, what happens to Social Security payments and veterans disability payments during a shutdown? I assume these would be suspended because this would be a complete shutdown, not a partial one like 2018-2019.

Do they really expect old people to peacefully stand by when the don't get their monthly checks? In the 1980s, When Dan Rostenkowski tried to cut social security, old people attacked his car and threatened him when he made public appearances. Now it's the Boomers receiving Social Security, and I can't see them taking this quietly.

I’m SSA. Checks go out. In fact, a decent percentage of SSA is excepted to make this happen. And yes, payment processors are the low paid folks.

Applications for benefits and people who have problems with benefits OTOH unusually freeze in the pipeline.

I wish out GS-9 didn’t work and there was a threat that checks wouldn’t go out though. Because that is one thing that would end a shutdown immediately and stop future ones (note: I’m not rooting for grandma to go without her check. Just know that if this were threatened, this crazy shutdown cycle would stop).

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Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)

They will force TSA to work unpaid.

That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?

Lots of employees will work without pay indefinitely, and many of them are in sensitive and critical positions. People really don’t understand how bad shutdowns are.

Military works without pay as well. We worked for 16 days in 2013. Many, many enlisted military live paycheck to paycheck. Many live below the poverty level even with their paychecks. It will be really difficult

We volunteered at a Coast Guard food bank during the last shutdown in 2018 and it was heartbreaking.

Thank you for doing this. Coast Guard members were leaving on long deployments not knowing if their families would have rent money, it was a mess.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been through a few long ones and they are uniformly horrible for everyone except the creditors that rack up fees and interest. Totally sucks. Government should have to give hardship pay on top of backpay.

[Anonymous]

Are there any insights as to why the State Department was shutdown and didn’t process passport renewals during the 1995-96 shutdowns, but was able to keep up and running during the Obama and Trump admin shutdowns? I get that these are now fee funded services, but if people couldn’t get their passports renewed and air traffic controllers called out sick I bet the shutdown would end real quick, assuming one happens.

Congress is already swamped with constituents complaining about passport delays and those issues would only grow if the State Department decided to furlough passport agency staff.

I feel like a lot of the Republicans who welcome a shutdown think that the most recent shutdowns weren’t too big a deal. In their view, a bunch of museums closed and overpaid feds were sent home. So what. It’s hard to get those politicians to face the reality of the damage shutdowns cause without cutting off services to their supporters and constituents who rely on them.

[Anonymous]

Anyone k ow what happens with open season? I had planned to change my health benefits this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been through a few long ones and they are uniformly horrible for everyone except the creditors that rack up fees and interest. Totally sucks. Government should have to give hardship pay on top of backpay.

+1. I was furloughed for almost a month in 2013 and a month in 2018-19, plus all the little one or two or even half day shutdowns in between. Money issues aside, you can't really do anything with the time because any day things might restart. Once I was furloughed when I woke up so I tried to take my kid to breakfast and workers got recalled at 10 am (that was a fun commute). It's a waste of everyone's time.

[Anonymous]

I would like legislation that ends this charade once a for all: the federal pay continuity act. If you want to cut spending, cut it. Don’t hold people hostage.