Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)



They will force TSA to work unpaid.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:If the shutdown happens on Oct. 1, it will be in the middle of a pay period (for many feds). Does anyone know if feds on that pay schedule will be paid for the first week of the pay period now (as opposed to after the shutdown)?


It will be paid after the shutdown ends. No one will be there to process your payroll.


We were told today that we would get a partial paycheck to cover the 1st week worked in the pay period, but nothing after that till it’s all over.


If I recall, in 2013 we did get a partial paycheck during the shutdown, but it might vary by agency.


It usually does. For some agencies, payroll folks are giving an extra day or two of "essential personnel" work in order to process payroll. In others, they are not. So it just depends on how your agency handles shutdown and the definition of essential personnel for work during a shutdown.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We were told our office will not shut down and we will still get paid at the expected times. We have alternate funding and I guess the payroll people are essential?


Nice for you!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)



They will force TSA to work unpaid.


That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Our agency shuts off access to work emails and we are instructed not to use work phone or laptop for anything, even if not work related.


This is good info. This would be my first government shutdown as a civil servant, and my kids' schools all have my work cell as the primary number. Guess I should change that.



I’m sure it varies agency to agency. But, in general, it’s not a bad idea for feds to separate work and personal communication. Two phones, texts emails, even if everything gets forwarded to one device. Everything on a work device is fair game for monitoring by your employer, the government. Hard pass.


This. In 2013, my agency took a hard line on absolutely no use of agency-provided equipment. Everyone was instructed to leave their devices in their office during the "orderly shutdown." I always kept separate devices, but a fair number of my older coworkers did not, many running out to get cheap burner phones and laptops.

In 2018, we were told we could use them, per the unusual personal use policies, as long as we didn't do any work. I expect that will be our policy again.
Anonymous
Our agency has an alert system that robocalls employees on their home numbers. That’s how we were notified to come back to work. Forwarding work email to your personal device is an absolute no no, even without a shutdown. Don’t do it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)



They will force TSA to work unpaid.


That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?


Lots of employees will work without pay indefinitely, and many of them are in sensitive and critical positions. People really don’t understand how bad shutdowns are.
Anonymous
So, what happens to Social Security payments and veterans disability payments during a shutdown? I assume these would be suspended because this would be a complete shutdown, not a partial one like 2018-2019.

Do they really expect old people to peacefully stand by when the don't get their monthly checks? In the 1980s, When Dan Rostenkowski tried to cut social security, old people attacked his car and threatened him when he made public appearances. Now it's the Boomers receiving Social Security, and I can't see them taking this quietly.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)



They will force TSA to work unpaid.


That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?


Lots of employees will work without pay indefinitely, and many of them are in sensitive and critical positions. People really don’t understand how bad shutdowns are.


Military works without pay as well. We worked for 16 days in 2013. Many, many enlisted military live paycheck to paycheck. Many live below the poverty level even with their paychecks. It will be really difficult
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)



They will force TSA to work unpaid.


ATC works unpaid
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have plane tickets for a weekend trip (planned 8 months ago) over Columbus/Indigenous Peoples weekend. Since I never traveled during past shutdowns, what is the likelihood of ATC and TSA working? (Not that any of us have crystal ball.)



They will force TSA to work unpaid.


That is so sh*tty. So blue collar workers at the TSA will be forced to come in without pay so that the fat-cat Congressmen who caused this shutdown will still be able to jet home?


You now understand everything you need to understand about shutdowns.
Anonymous
Lots of employees will work without pay indefinitely, and many of them are in sensitive and critical positions. People really don’t understand how bad shutdowns are.


BOP prison guards
Law enforcement agents (FBI, DEA, etc.)
Federal firefighters, including those who have been fighting wildfires out west
Military, since they have not even passed the defense bill
TSA
Air traffic controllers
Border Patrol
Customs agents
CIA

Does anyone remember the food lines during the 2018-2019 shutdowns? Many families in this area are one or two paychecks away from disaster.

I'm so tired of this dysfunction.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Is leave retroactively applied as well?


Yes.


What does this mean? I thought you couldn’t take leave if you were furloughed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So, what happens to Social Security payments and veterans disability payments during a shutdown? I assume these would be suspended because this would be a complete shutdown, not a partial one like 2018-2019.

Do they really expect old people to peacefully stand by when the don't get their monthly checks? In the 1980s, When Dan Rostenkowski tried to cut social security, old people attacked his car and threatened him when he made public appearances. Now it's the Boomers receiving Social Security, and I can't see them taking this quietly.


Oh the old Boomers will still get all their government handouts, which is why so many of them are happy to keep voting for these right-wing clowns who want to shut down the government.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So, what happens to Social Security payments and veterans disability payments during a shutdown? I assume these would be suspended because this would be a complete shutdown, not a partial one like 2018-2019.

Do they really expect old people to peacefully stand by when the don't get their monthly checks? In the 1980s, When Dan Rostenkowski tried to cut social security, old people attacked his car and threatened him when he made public appearances. Now it's the Boomers receiving Social Security, and I can't see them taking this quietly.


They will get their checks. SSA has those employees work during shutdowns. After the 2013 shutdowns, almost everyone is excepted and still has to work. This is why the public doesn't care as much about shutdowns.
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