Russia - civil war has broken out
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Also there was no looting and such. Videos of the Wagner boys ordering at the former McDonalds are quite something. Civilians being very quiet though lol |
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PP you are replying to. I think Russia needs to be pragmatic. They can very well work with the west if they realize that the west is prone to outsmart them, that they will never join the first world club (that they already know actually) and the west is their class enemy. Which does not mean the literal adversary! Just that their interests are exactly the opposite, so they need to keep the diplomacy going . Russia really sucks at diplomacy. There are very few young, westernized diplomats. They also suck at PR and marketing. Pragmatism is the name of the game for them, not trying to fight absolutely stupid wars or make ridiculous demands or even more ridiculous concessions to the west like it was before Putin. |
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Haha this didn’t age well! They are all back from dachas with their buckwheat by now. Most didn’t even bother. |
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DP. Except nobody believes the west and its guarantees anymore |
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NP. I do think the "long term" just got relatively shorter for Putin, though. He's going to end up like Nicholas II. I thought about this in theoretical terms prior to yesterday's weirdness but now I think it's really going to happen at some point. That Prigozhin is alive at all after Putin made that broadcast shows weakness. And Russian politics doesn't abide weakness and never has. Yesterday was the beginning of the end even if it still takes a bit to play out. The cracks are starting to appear and things in Russia can change very quickly, as we've seen over the centuries; their people put up with seemingly endless nonsense until very suddenly they don't. Putin is going to end up like Nicholas and a civil war is coming. Nicholas ended up dead after getting Russia into a war that exposed their military as an antiquated paper tiger and dragged their economy into the gutter; Putin has made the same mistake and is trying to bluster his way through and it's eventually going to fail. And I think he knows it. |
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I'm not a politician nor a European/Eurasia/Asia expert by any stretch of the imagination. But sometimes the experts become entrenched with technicalities in their respective specialties. That can lead to thinking that is interesting to contemplate but maybe not too smart. I don't think Europe has a problem with Russia being part of Europe; I think Europe has a problem with a Russia that is forever governed by maniacs and thugs. Russia's instability threatens what can be a tenuous peace in the rest of Europe. Russian's fall to communism led to communism threatening peace in the rest of Europe. The Russian revolution that overthrew its last czar finally pulled Russia out of a medieval structure, but that change was immediately usurped by yet another oppressive form of government. Subsequently Russia has not had the chance to enjoy the fruits of democracy that most of Europe today takes for granted. That is the problem Europe has with Russia. Russia would be extraordinarily foolish to look towards the East and China. The racial/cultural/religious/etc divides will never allow Russia to operate on equal footing with that part of the world. John Lennon sang a pretty song, Imagine, but in the real world these differences would be insurmountable. The only thing Russia would achieve would be to become subservient to its Asian overlords. |
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| doesn't prigozhin look like Johnathan banks from better call saul, |
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DCUM:
“All news out of Russia is misinformation snd you’re a Putin-lover for saying anything about the possibility of Russia winning” Also DCUM: “The news out of Russia of a coup is highly accurate” 😂 |
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It's so telling that you put all responsibility on the West. Goes to show how far faith in the the post-Soviet Russian confederation has diminished. |
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I'm Eurasian (one european parent, one asian parent). The mixing of cultures works well for some people, PP 
Having said that, I agree that since the "West" 's greatest export is democracy, that any nuclear country that is not a democracy threatens its ideals in the most fundamental way. Russia, which has a ton of antiquated nuclear weapons, is the largest country in the world by far, has been unstable so many times in past 100 years, and has never had a truly democratic government... ... is felt to be an enormous threat by the west. The goal of NATO and associated countries is the long-term democratization of Russia. That's it. It's far-fetched, and perhaps won't happen in our lifetimes, but plenty of goals have been started by humans who knew they wouldn't live to see the final achievement. Notre Dame, the Paris Cathedral, took two centuries to complete. People are preparing to travel to Mars. Humans live in hope. |
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look at a map, geez |
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+1 so dramatic |
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Oh, how we see things so differently. I think the best way to explain the differences is using Soviet dogma. "You may not be interested in strategy, but strategy is interested in you." --Trotsky "Sometimes history needs a push" --Lenin "It is at moments of need that one learns who one’s friends are. Defeated armies learn their lesson." --Lenin "Where force is necessary, there it must be applied boldly, decisively and completely. But one must know the limitations of force; one must know when to blend force with a maneuver, a blow with an agreement." --Trotsky "Any cook should be able to run the country." --Lenin In time. Be patient. You'll see. Russia is still on track for Anarchy within two years. |