Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:Leave this poor girl alone. Under no scenario is she responsible or at fault. Stop second guessing. There are zero scenarios where she intentionally refrained from calling 911 or knowing her roommates where murdered or could have saved their lives. There are nut job amateur “sleuths” all over the country questioning her actions, or worse. This girl is 21, lived through something you did not, and the kind of second guessing going on here is heartless. Just stop.

I think it's very likely that she was very drunk possibly took something to fall asleep, heard voices but wasn't able to get up and never actually saw someone in the hall but vaguely recalls getting up at some point and knowing after the fact what happened that maybe she recalled she saw someone. Probably stems from a lot of guilt. Maybe from police questioning and insisting she must have saw something, heard something

Having lived in a shared house in college, what she reported hearing and even if she saw someone, wouldn't have caused me to go investigate. I would never think a murder had occurred and besides my only knowledge of such would be horror movies that involved a ton of screaming. You don't know everyone that comes through a shared house and yeah randos show up sometimes. The only thing that would change my mind is if it comes to light that she was texting people and asking what to. And it wasn't common for me to go into my roommates bedrooms in the morning either. If they didn't get up, I wouldn't have gone into check especially on nights we had been out to parties. And again, I wouldn't think a locked or unopened door meant murder.

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Anonymous wrote:When I lived in an apt., I always had pepper spray on my nightside table for protection at night. I also carried it when I was out at night. My daughter took a self-defense class before she left for college. This story is so horrific and serves as a reminder that we need to remind our children to take protective measures to increase their safety.

"carrying" it is not enough. Not unless you actually carry it - as in carry it in your hand - ready to use.

One of the assistants at work got a group discount going, and every admin assistant bought pepper spray one year. They all dropped the spray into their purses, where it quickly shifted to the bottom, and was forgotten. A few weeks later 3 of them went to lunch and a purse snatched grabbed one of their purses, struggling with her over it. Not a single one of them thought to use pepper spray, but instead they tried slapping at him. Even if they'd thought of it, none of them could have gotten to the forgotten spray cans lost somewhere at the bottom of their handbags. The thief got away with one handbag (with wallet and phone inside).

Plus, there is specific and necessary training on the effective use of pepper spray for defensive purposes. NO ONE bothers to take that training.

Pepper spray can be great. But its nearly always misused.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

IDK it would matter if I were the family of one of the victims

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard a crime analyst speaking on CNN and he said many are saying this doesn’t fit the profile of a first killing. So investigators are looking into unsolved cases in Pennsylvania and other places he’s been to see if anything matches his profile….. chilling.

What they mean is it doesn't fit the profile of serial killers - who commit multiple murders. This guy focus on just doing one murder and there weren't any more and maybe there never would have been. Maybe he just wanted to "prove" he could get away with it one time. His mistake was simple - the idea of murder, the theory of murder, the story of murder - all those are easy to make perfect. His mistake was forgetting that real life is not as easy and when things are really happening its so much different.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe he walked right by the housemate and didn’t kill her. It’s really notable.

Agree.I posted same upthread. So odd after murdering 4 people in 10 minutes. But fortunately that’s what happened.

I wouldn’t call it Odd, he’s a sociopath. That’s what make these things so scary is that the behavior does not make any sense in any way to a normal mind. True sociopaths are rare, and it’s frightening what they are capable of.

I don't think that is true, actually. The sociopath's primary objective is to get to keep sociopath-ing. That includes murdering, where murder is the manifestation of sociopathy. Leaving an eyewitness behind is anathema to that, which is what is so odd about this. Maybe he didn't see her. It probably takes a lot of energy and some tunnel vision to kill people hand-to-hand, as he did.

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Anonymous wrote:Leave this poor girl alone. Under no scenario is she responsible or at fault. Stop second guessing. There are zero scenarios where she intentionally refrained from calling 911 or knowing her roommates where murdered or could have saved their lives. There are nut job amateur “sleuths” all over the country questioning her actions, or worse. This girl is 21, lived through something you did not, and the kind of second guessing going on here is heartless. Just stop.

I think it's very likely that she was very drunk possibly took something to fall asleep, heard voices but wasn't able to get up and never actually saw someone in the hall but vaguely recalls getting up at some point and knowing after the fact what happened that maybe she recalled she saw someone. Probably stems from a lot of guilt. Maybe from police questioning and insisting she must have saw something, heard something

Having lived in a shared house in college, what she reported hearing and even if she saw someone, wouldn't have caused me to go investigate. I would never think a murder had occurred and besides my only knowledge of such would be horror movies that involved a ton of screaming. You don't know everyone that comes through a shared house and yeah randos show up sometimes. The only thing that would change my mind is if it comes to light that she was texting people and asking what to. And it wasn't common for me to go into my roommates bedrooms in the morning either. If they didn't get up, I wouldn't have gone into check especially on nights we had been out to parties. And again, I wouldn't think a locked or unopened door meant murder.

That's not what it says in the affidavit. It explicitly states that her description matched with the accused. So, are you saying she's lying or too drunk? That fear response is not something you forget.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe he walked right by the housemate and didn’t kill her. It’s really notable.

Agree.I posted same upthread. So odd after murdering 4 people in 10 minutes. But fortunately that’s what happened.

I wouldn’t call it Odd, he’s a sociopath. That’s what make these things so scary is that the behavior does not make any sense in any way to a normal mind. True sociopaths are rare, and it’s frightening what they are capable of.

I don't think that is true, actually. The sociopath's primary objective is to get to keep sociopath-ing. That includes murdering, where murder is the manifestation of sociopathy. Leaving an eyewitness behind is anathema to that, which is what is so odd about this. Maybe he didn't see her. It probably takes a lot of energy and some tunnel vision to kill people hand-to-hand, as he did.

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Agree - mind blowing, really.

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The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the suriviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard a crime analyst speaking on CNN and he said many are saying this doesn’t fit the profile of a first killing. So investigators are looking into unsolved cases in Pennsylvania and other places he’s been to see if anything matches his profile….. chilling.

What they mean is it doesn't fit the profile of serial killers - who commit multiple murders. This guy focus on just doing one murder and there weren't any more and maybe there never would have been. Maybe he just wanted to "prove" he could get away with it one time. His mistake was simple - the idea of murder, the theory of murder, the story of murder - all those are easy to make perfect. His mistake was forgetting that real life is not as easy and when things are really happening its so much different.

But given his supposed intelligence, quite dumb not to think about car ID, security cameras, cell phone pings etc. Quite bizarre really.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

When I was in college, a drunk football player who was mad at my roommate came to our room one night with a friend and banged on the (locked) door for about ten minutes yelling that he was going to kill us when he got in. I knew both guys by names, faces and voices and looked out the peephole to confirm that it was them. My roommate wasn't there; I was alone and called campus police. He heard this and took off. Campus police told me that because I had not opened the door to confirm that it was him, it would be his word against mine, and they could do nothing.

That's why women don't call.

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard a crime analyst speaking on CNN and he said many are saying this doesn’t fit the profile of a first killing. So investigators are looking into unsolved cases in Pennsylvania and other places he’s been to see if anything matches his profile….. chilling.

What they mean is it doesn't fit the profile of serial killers - who commit multiple murders. This guy focus on just doing one murder and there weren't any more and maybe there never would have been. Maybe he just wanted to "prove" he could get away with it one time. His mistake was simple - the idea of murder, the theory of murder, the story of murder - all those are easy to make perfect. His mistake was forgetting that real life is not as easy and when things are really happening its so much different.

But given his supposed intelligence, quite dumb not to think about car ID, security cameras, cell phone pings etc. Quite bizarre really.

I haven't read anything to indicate he was high IQ. He didn't go to top schools or anything.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part I would find hard as a parent is if I found out they were alive and help could have saved them. If they died and would have died from the stab wounds even if help did arrive in ten minutes, it would give me a sense of peace that no intervention would have been helpful. Same is true for the suriviving roommate who also has to live with this. For her own mental health, I hope all her roommates died quickly.

Of course. I think the parents will learn there was absolutely nothing that could be done to save those poor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

It does to the parents of the dead kids.

Are you one of them? Stop obsessing about the roommate.

Stop policing the thread. And we don't know if it matters or not that she didn't call. Or if he saw her. Or why he left her alive. It was relevant enough to be included in the affadavit. So I'm gonna go with them over you.

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Anonymous wrote:Note to self: no large group homes for DD in college.

Honestly, this is a freak occurrence. Random killings like this are exceedingly rare. The person most likely to harm your DD would be her significant other, or someone else she knows.

I don't want random men she doesn't know traipsing through the house at 4am and no one thinking this is weird at all, per so many people on this thread. No thanks. A dorm, or an apartment with 1-2 roomates max.

Bwahahah you think a dorm is any better?? It's hundreds of random people with very little (if any) supervision.

I hope you can afford a nice one bedroom for your kid off campus.

There actually weren't tons of people roaming my dorm at 4am. There are also key cards on the outside and dorm room doors have real locks, not just cheap bedroom locks.

And those keycard doors get propped open, just fyi.

So NOW propped open doors are bad?

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of the roommates being blamed.

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

She lived in a party house with a bunch of roommates, and drunken shenanigans at all hours. She knew enough to feel nervous but obviously never imagined MURDERS were taking place. Ffs some of you people are heartless.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

Yeah, I wonder what is up with that - that is almost impossible to explain.

No, it’s not. House was a party house. She always locked her doors due to the traffic and parties. And a mask over the nose and mouth doesn’t make people blink anymore.

Y’all are so warped. No one is wearing masks, in a residence at 4am in 2022, even in “liberal areas.” I haven’t worn a mask indoors in a private residence since I was vaccinated spring of 2021. Nor have I seen anyone else do it.

But if you are living in a party house and your mind is struggling to make sense of what you just saw, what makes more sense: my roommate had a weird guy over who is wearing a covid mask or a psycho killer just killed my roommates and is trying to hide his identity? I can only imagine if she called the cops with this story (weird but not threatening noises, guy walking through house wearing surgical mask), even if they did go out on the call, they would have told her to drink a glass of water, go to bed, and never bother them about this cr*p again because they aren't her mommy and daddy.

+1 the noises that she heard do not indicate murder. Not sure why some people are fixed on the roommate. It seems that Even if she called 911, they wouldn’t survive.

Because it's much easier and more satisfying to twist yourself into a pretzel and blame her, rather than the man who came in and stabbed them all to death.

Literally no one is blaming her. We just wonder why she didn’t call.

It really doesn’t matter why she didn’t call.

When I was in college, a drunk football player who was mad at my roommate came to our room one night with a friend and banged on the (locked) door for about ten minutes yelling that he was going to kill us when he got in. I knew both guys by names, faces and voices and looked out the peephole to confirm that it was them. My roommate wasn't there; I was alone and called campus police. He heard this and took off. Campus police told me that because I had not opened the door to confirm that it was him, it would be his word against mine, and they could do nothing.

That's why women don't call.

Ok, you're right. There's many of us with similar stories. But even if the police got there and caller her a liar, they would have found 4 dead people.