Toddler death on a cruise ship. So tragic

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tragedy. The grandpa made a horrible mistake. But I do not see how him saying he thought the window was closed even helps him. Who teaches a kid to bang on a window. It could break. Plexiglass around an ice rink is very different from a window. It is designed to take a hit. I am guessing the windows on the cruise ships are tough. But it still is a bad idea. It is horrible that his mistake had such a tragic ending. But at some point people need to be responsible for thier own actions. I agree with all the posters that said the family is doing this so they have someone besides Grandpa to blame.

I don’t think they can maintain that illusion. I hate to say it, but I think either Grandpa is quickly out of the picture somehow (estrangement or death) or the marriage won’t survive. Can you imagine sitting across from him at Thanksgiving? How would you trust him with other kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Do people think, in general, that parents are more lax on vacation? I am wondering if this played a part.

So many tragedy whores on this thread. Hasn't this topic been beaten to death?

Not necessarily.

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Anonymous wrote:I had pretty bad anxiety when my kids were little partially because they have special needs. These are all the scenarios that I envisioned could happen when too close to an area they could fall down or I could accidentally drop them because they would squirm like crazy. My heart goes out to these families but in retrospect I am feeling better that I trusted my gut that I couldn’t trust them around windows etc. you just never know. I know that theoretically there’s no reason to think the worst. But something in between is probably a good instinct. Toddlers that age have no awareness of danger.

I totally agree. It used to make me feel almost panicky when my kids were in an area with a steep drop nearby even if there was a railing holding them back from going over the edge. I made them stay close to me - well away from the edge. For an adult to actually put a baby in an open window like that....I just can't imagine what he was thinking.

Yes, I even hate that at malls there's an opening to a floor or two below. I always that think my kids will rush up to the railing, jump up for a better look below, and topple over the edge.

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all. He picked that window because it was open. Think about it - they were 11 stories up. Would her view really be any different if she were standing on the floor? No, it would not. Also - think about where her body had to be for her to flip/fall out of the window.

Or he wanted her to look out one of the clear panes thinking they were different colors.

Which would make him mentally handicapped.

No one thinks 'oh there's one window they painted a different color!'

He knew it was open.

If some of them were open and some closed, and when closed they are “very tinted” as some posts on here have said, he could have looked at the wall of windows and thought they were all closed just some were tinted and others not.

Just stop. Grandpa knew. Of course the family will never admit because a lawsuit is involved and money is more important than what is right. The girl splatted on the ground because of her grandfathers poor choice.

From the photos I've seen I can't understand why he did that. It makes no sense. The story did change after they retained the lawyer, not uncommon. I think he was going to prop her up to look out the window then fell. Kind of what M.J. did with his kid.

I don’t think intentionally dropped her or dangled her out, but I think he did prop her in the ledge and either he slipped and fell/lost balance or she squirmed out.

Grandpa probably had Chloe by her legs, with her standing on the brass railing...which is unbelievably stupid. Baby girl most likely lunged forward to “tap the panes of glass,” and she fell to her death. When I think of that exact moment when she flies from his grip, my heart races. It was so high... how does he live with this??

So damn sad.

I think this is exactly right. Grandpa is fully to blame. Not the ship. Doesn’t mean I want charges against him or anything, this is by far the worst punishment he could live with, but the lawyer needs to back odd this “the ship had an open window at toddler height and is at fault” tack. Grandpa made a HUGE and irrevocable error in judgment. The ship can’t account for people standing babies up on any open air railing or high window, which 99% of the population would absolutely never do simply because the risk is so high. He made that choice and she died because of it but in no way was RC negligent or the ship construction to blame.

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Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

Is this the correct acronym?
Over Emotionally Involved Poster, OEIP

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

A toddler died on a ship because she fell from an 11th story window. Who exactly would not
speculate how that happened?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

A toddler died on a ship because she fell from an 11th story window. Who exactly would not
speculate how that happened?

People that have intellectually, emotionally and spiritually fulfilling lives?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

A toddler died on a ship because she fell from an 11th story window. Who exactly would not
speculate how that happened?

People that have intellectually, emotionally and spiritually fulfilling lives?

No sis. Perfectly well-adjusted folks speculate about horrible situations like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

The question is who is to blame for this horrific accident. Is this the sort of thing that could just happen to anyone? Was it a mechanical or design flaw that caused this to happen? The answer is - no.

This accident was 100% caused by the grandfather. He did something that no one in their right mind would do and his granddaughter is now dead. I'm sure that he is beyond devastated and I hope that one day his family will be able to forgive him and that he can one day forgive himself. But blaming RC for it is not right. Remember that real people work behind RC and are responsible for passenger safety. Telling those employees that this is their fault is just plain wrong. They could not have anticipated this tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

A toddler died on a ship because she fell from an 11th story window. Who exactly would not
speculate how that happened?

People that have intellectually, emotionally and spiritually fulfilling lives?

spiritually fulfilling lol. If you’re so spiritually fulfilled why are you here tussling with us heathens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

The reason this is being discussed is because Grandpa refuses to accept he is to blame. If his lawyer wasn’t accusing the cruise line of negligence there would be nothing to discuss. The family made this a highly public matter.

I know a family whose toddler fell from a deck at a neighbor’s party and died. They didn’t blame the house owner or the builder. I think everyone was relieved that the parents didn’t face charges because we felt they had suffered enough and would continue to suffer for life. Cruise ship family is chipping away at that natural sympathy and it’s not just evident on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are disgusting. A child died and a family is experiencing absolute hell right at this moment and some of you are getting way too worked up about what the grandpa was thinking. You literally have no idea. You are speculating and it’s gross. You’re slamming the lawyer but you are worse.

The reason this is being discussed is because Grandpa refuses to accept he is to blame. If his lawyer wasn’t accusing the cruise line of negligence there would be nothing to discuss. The family made this a highly public matter.

I know a family whose toddler fell from a deck at a neighbor’s party and died. They didn’t blame the house owner or the builder. I think everyone was relieved that the parents didn’t face charges because we felt they had suffered enough and would continue to suffer for life. Cruise ship family is chipping away at that natural sympathy and it’s not just evident on DCUM.

+1 especially to the bolded. They were far to quick to hire a slimy lawyer and jump out screening it wasn’t Grabdpa’s fault, it was the boat’s fault! I would be making no public comment whatsoever, through my lawyer or otherwise.

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The story affects none of you. And none of you affect the outcome of the story. You arguing makes no sense and only serves your selfish needs.

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Anonymous wrote:The story affects none of you. And none of you affect the outcome of the story. You arguing makes no sense and only serves your selfish needs.

We are reacting to a news story put out there largely by the family's lawyer. If you don't like people talking about it, blame the lawyer.