Toddler death on a cruise ship. So tragic

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think I saw this addressed anywhere:
Was there an attempt to save the child? Either by the family or cruise staff?
What is the procedure on cruise ships when a person falls in the water?
Especially since this happened while docked.

She fell 11 storys onto concrete as I understand it. I'm sure they did everything they knew how to do for her. But it was not a survivable situation.

That is awful, absolutely awful.
Grandpa should be investigated. This level of negligence is criminal or demented.

Yes, it is truly mind boggling how he made a mistake like that. I hope the security footage sheds some light on what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

Yes, this.

[Anonymous]

The family is in a foreign state of mind : how to wrap your head around what happened? It seems so inexplicable and awful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

Not according to Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:It was stated that the family retained the lawyer to correct misinformation in the media about how the accident happened. They wanted it put out there that the grandfather wasn’t dangling the toddler purposefully out the window. He admittedly let go of her for a moment, perhaps consistent with believing that they were in front of a closed window. The lawyer’s primary role right now has been to interact with the media and request video from the ship. No suit has been filed and no money demanded.

We don’t actually know anything about what they have said to RCI or vice versa. It’s all speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

Yes it is. It is also a territory with it's own unique charm and looks nothing like Indiana and is actually quite far away from Indiana. Most US citizens have never visited Puerto Rico. I know that I haven't so it would be a totally new and different (foreign!) experience for me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It was stated that the family retained the lawyer to correct misinformation in the media about how the accident happened. They wanted it put out there that the grandfather wasn’t dangling the toddler purposefully out the window. He admittedly let go of her for a moment, perhaps consistent with believing that they were in front of a closed window. The lawyer’s primary role right now has been to interact with the media and request video from the ship. No suit has been filed and no money demanded.

Who stated this? The lawyer?

+1

I am not trying to be harsh or out of line, because there is no denying this tremendous loss, and maybe this is their way of dealing with it, but I thought the obit might be a little too much?

I agree as well, and don’t think we are being out of line. I can still and do horrible for the family, and maybe particularly for the grandfather. They are in hell. I still think the justifications for interacting with counsel are weak at absolute best, and that all of this pity would dry up in a flash were the family African-American or Puerto Rican American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

Yes it is. It is also a territory with it's own unique charm and looks nothing like Indiana and is actually quite far away from Indiana. Most US citizens have never visited Puerto Rico. I know that I haven't so it would be a totally new and different (foreign!) experience for me.

Indiana would be more of a foreign experience to me than PR, and I have no personal connection to PR. I'd venture that most US citizens have never been to Indiana. Though I'm sure it's its own place with unique charm and looks nothing like Alaska or Hawaii or Arizona or Florida or countless other places in the US, example. But you are clearly just a xenophobic weirdo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

Yes it is. It is also a territory with it's own unique charm and looks nothing like Indiana and is actually quite far away from Indiana. Most US citizens have never visited Puerto Rico. I know that I haven't so it would be a totally new and different (foreign!) experience for me.

Indiana would be more of a foreign experience to me than PR, and I have no personal connection to PR. I'd venture that most US citizens have never been to Indiana. Though I'm sure it's its own place with unique charm and looks nothing like Alaska or Hawaii or Arizona or Florida or countless other places in the US, example. But you are clearly just a xenophobic weirdo.

You are being deliberately obtuse and you are obviously looking for something, anything, to find offense over. Whatevs.

If you've been to the midwest, you've been to Indiana. Puerto Rico is a totally different experience from the US mainland. Why do you think people travel long distances and spend big bucks to vacation there? It's beautiful. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was stated that the family retained the lawyer to correct misinformation in the media about how the accident happened. They wanted it put out there that the grandfather wasn’t dangling the toddler purposefully out the window. He admittedly let go of her for a moment, perhaps consistent with believing that they were in front of a closed window. The lawyer’s primary role right now has been to interact with the media and request video from the ship. No suit has been filed and no money demanded.

Who stated this? The lawyer?

+1

I am not trying to be harsh or out of line, because there is no denying this tremendous loss, and maybe this is their way of dealing with it, but I thought the obit might be a little too much?

I agree as well, and don’t think we are being out of line. I can still and do horrible for the family, and maybe particularly for the grandfather. They are in hell. I still think the justifications for interacting with counsel are weak at absolute best, and that all of this pity would dry up in a flash were the family African-American or Puerto Rican American.

PP here, I agree, sadly. They are losing me on the flowery language, because I wonder how many people want to hear from the attorney’s slant, at this point. What happened to “yes it was horrible, but (we accept responsibility)”

At the same time, but for the grace of God go I. There is no way to recover - not by lawsuit, or anything else. That is just the way it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

Yes it is. It is also a territory with it's own unique charm and looks nothing like Indiana and is actually quite far away from Indiana. Most US citizens have never visited Puerto Rico. I know that I haven't so it would be a totally new and different (foreign!) experience for me.

The same is true of many parts of the 50 states. Would you find Hawaii or Alaska so exotic that you’d call them a foreign country?

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Anonymous wrote:It was stated that the family retained the lawyer to correct misinformation in the media about how the accident happened. They wanted it put out there that the grandfather wasn’t dangling the toddler purposefully out the window. He admittedly let go of her for a moment, perhaps consistent with believing that they were in front of a closed window. The lawyer’s primary role right now has been to interact with the media and request video from the ship. No suit has been filed and no money demanded.

They could have had any one, even a family friend or a clergy person make that statement. What the lawyer has said goes far beyond “Grandpa didn’t dangle.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was stated that the family retained the lawyer to correct misinformation in the media about how the accident happened. They wanted it put out there that the grandfather wasn’t dangling the toddler purposefully out the window. He admittedly let go of her for a moment, perhaps consistent with believing that they were in front of a closed window. The lawyer’s primary role right now has been to interact with the media and request video from the ship. No suit has been filed and no money demanded.

Who stated this? The lawyer?

+1

I am not trying to be harsh or out of line, because there is no denying this tremendous loss, and maybe this is their way of dealing with it, but I thought the obit might be a little too much?

Her obituary was beautiful and totally heartbreaking. I felt like I knew that little girl and her family after I read it. I don't know who wrote the tribute but they did a wonderful job and, no, under the circumstances I don't think that it was too much at all.

DP. Her birth story moved me. I cannot imagine thinking your preemie survived all that with all the potential medical errors and then gone in seconds because of your father’s carelessness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The family experienced something very traumatic. They not only lost a daughter but watched her die and saw her smashed little body. They were in a foreign country and going through a horrific life experience. It is normal to not think clearly and to want to find a reason or explanation other than grandpa just dropped baby out the window. Their minds are trying to rationalize this and make it make sense and what helps is to think that something was wrong that made this tragedy possible. They are traumatized and grieving. An opportunistic lawyer reaches out and convinces them that there is a reason, that it isn't all grandpa and in that moment they cling to that, a glimmer of something.

I don't judge them. My sane rational mind is a million miles away from where their minds are.

As someone pointed out to me, Puerto Rico is part the US.

Yes it is. It is also a territory with it's own unique charm and looks nothing like Indiana and is actually quite far away from Indiana. Most US citizens have never visited Puerto Rico. I know that I haven't so it would be a totally new and different (foreign!) experience for me.

The same is true of many parts of the 50 states. Would you find Hawaii or Alaska so exotic that you’d call them a foreign country?

That's a fair question and the answer is - I don't know. I've never been to Hawaii or Alaska but people close to me have and I have seen lots of their vacation photos and heard lots of stories about those states. I'm simply not as familiar with Puerto Rico so to me that particular location seems more like a different world to me.

Regardless, I think we should both be able to agree that this family was a long way from home when this tragedy occurred - far away from family, friends. Unfamiliar roads and hospitals. I'm sure that being in an unfamiliar locale only compounded the horror of it all for them.