When are Herndon Middle and Herndon High going to get a break?!??

[Anonymous]

This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

There is no question that poverty is related to academics. However, why would the kids be any less poor if you spread them across more schools? i assume that Herndon is a Title I school, so the kids should be getting more help there. The classes are smaller, for one thing.
And, I just looked at the boundary maps for Herndon and McNair. The boundaries appear logical.

Busing does not work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

Is McNair over by the Clocktower shopping Center near exit 10 off FFX cty parkway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

Is McNair over by the Clocktower shopping Center near exit 10 off FFX cty parkway?

nvm I will google it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

Is McNair over by the Clocktower shopping Center near exit 10 off FFX cty parkway?

sorry I meant 267

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

Is McNair over by the Clocktower shopping Center near exit 10 off FFX cty parkway?

Yes. It draws from all those apts , condos, and townhouses in that area.

Herndon Elementary is on the other side of 267--which is a pretty strong boundary.

The boundaries of those schools are logical.

Coates is across Centreville Rd from McNair back among office parks and apts and condos. It also pulls from some apts, etc, near Worldgate.

[Anonymous]

I think that extra funding should be injected at levels corresponding to the poverty percentage with the help targeted at those kids, but those percentages need to be lower. Waiting until the poverty level reaches 40% to start Title 1 funding is too late. All 4 Herndon ES's are now ranging from 45% to 82% poverty and many kids come in needing the basics like food. We feed lunches only to find out most don't get breakfast. So, we feed breakfast only to find out many don't have food or supervision on the weekends so we send backpacks home on the weekends with food they can make themselves. Many don't have dinner, so some Herndon schools are serving a meal prior to student dismissal. When half or the majority of the students are this seriously needy, do you think academics are on the radar? And, what do you think happens when SOLs are on the horizon and teachers are under the gun to get these kids to pass? Meanwhile, what are more capable students doing with all the effort focused on the needy? I know, our student was helping with the effort! We left our school. Test scores continue to decline. Concentrating poverty and throwing money at targeted schools is not working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't answer all your questions but when McNair was overcrowded, the decision was made to move these neighborhoods to Herndon ES. HES tanked immediately and remains one of the lowest performing schools in the state. The F/R rate went from 25ish to today's 64%. Is this a coincidence or would you agree that the low performance has something to do with the poverty? Money has been thrown at HES for years. It's not the solution. Mc Nair used to be Title 1 before the boundary change. Now they're at less than 20% F/R. Carson MS is at 10%. Why can't boundaries be changed so that impoverished students are spread across more schools? The Herndon pyramid has most of the poverty in this area and if others help, more students can be reached.

Is McNair over by the Clocktower shopping Center near exit 10 off FFX cty parkway?

Yes. It draws from all those apts , condos, and townhouses in that area.

Herndon Elementary is on the other side of 267--which is a pretty strong boundary.

The boundaries of those schools are logical.

Coates is across Centreville Rd from McNair back among office parks and apts and condos. It also pulls from some apts, etc, near Worldgate.

I know people who lived there years ago but their kids weren't school aged. 'McNair" sounded familiar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that extra funding should be injected at levels corresponding to the poverty percentage with the help targeted at those kids, but those percentages need to be lower. Waiting until the poverty level reaches 40% to start Title 1 funding is too late. All 4 Herndon ES's are now ranging from 45% to 82% poverty and many kids come in needing the basics like food. We feed lunches only to find out most don't get breakfast. So, we feed breakfast only to find out many don't have food or supervision on the weekends so we send backpacks home on the weekends with food they can make themselves. Many don't have dinner, so some Herndon schools are serving a meal prior to student dismissal. When half or the majority of the students are this seriously needy, do you think academics are on the radar? And, what do you think happens when SOLs are on the horizon and teachers are under the gun to get these kids to pass? Meanwhile, what are more capable students doing with all the effort focused on the needy? I know, our student was helping with the effort! We left our school. Test scores continue to decline. Concentrating poverty and throwing money at targeted schools is not working.

This is sad for Herndon, but as long as we have people who want sanctuary cities and undocumented immigrants streaming in, this is the situation.

Scattering these kids throughout the area is not going to change anything. There does not seem to be any end in sight. And, remember, Herndon's elected officials are fine with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that extra funding should be injected at levels corresponding to the poverty percentage with the help targeted at those kids, but those percentages need to be lower. Waiting until the poverty level reaches 40% to start Title 1 funding is too late. All 4 Herndon ES's are now ranging from 45% to 82% poverty and many kids come in needing the basics like food. We feed lunches only to find out most don't get breakfast. So, we feed breakfast only to find out many don't have food or supervision on the weekends so we send backpacks home on the weekends with food they can make themselves. Many don't have dinner, so some Herndon schools are serving a meal prior to student dismissal. When half or the majority of the students are this seriously needy, do you think academics are on the radar? And, what do you think happens when SOLs are on the horizon and teachers are under the gun to get these kids to pass? Meanwhile, what are more capable students doing with all the effort focused on the needy? I know, our student was helping with the effort! We left our school. Test scores continue to decline. Concentrating poverty and throwing money at targeted schools is not working.

This is sad for Herndon, but as long as we have people who want sanctuary cities and undocumented immigrants streaming in, this is the situation.

Scattering these kids throughout the area is not going to change anything. There does not seem to be any end in sight. And, remember, Herndon's elected officials are fine with this.

Blaming us for living in a city were the elected officers allow sanctuary is no different than blaming you for living in the US with Trump as the president. For the most part, school aged parents were not the ones that voted them in so come up with a new argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that extra funding should be injected at levels corresponding to the poverty percentage with the help targeted at those kids, but those percentages need to be lower. Waiting until the poverty level reaches 40% to start Title 1 funding is too late. All 4 Herndon ES's are now ranging from 45% to 82% poverty and many kids come in needing the basics like food. We feed lunches only to find out most don't get breakfast. So, we feed breakfast only to find out many don't have food or supervision on the weekends so we send backpacks home on the weekends with food they can make themselves. Many don't have dinner, so some Herndon schools are serving a meal prior to student dismissal. When half or the majority of the students are this seriously needy, do you think academics are on the radar? And, what do you think happens when SOLs are on the horizon and teachers are under the gun to get these kids to pass? Meanwhile, what are more capable students doing with all the effort focused on the needy? I know, our student was helping with the effort! We left our school. Test scores continue to decline. Concentrating poverty and throwing money at targeted schools is not working.

This is sad for Herndon, but as long as we have people who want sanctuary cities and undocumented immigrants streaming in, this is the situation.

Scattering these kids throughout the area is not going to change anything. There does not seem to be any end in sight. And, remember, Herndon's elected officials are fine with this.

Blaming us for living in a city were the elected officers allow sanctuary is no different than blaming you for living in the US with Trump as the president. For the most part, school aged parents were not the ones that voted them in so come up with a new argument.

It's not an argument. It is an explanation. And, FWIW, there are plenty of pockets of poor immigrants all over Fairfax County. It just happens that Herndon appears to be the focus on this forum. Herndon is far from the only one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that extra funding should be injected at levels corresponding to the poverty percentage with the help targeted at those kids, but those percentages need to be lower. Waiting until the poverty level reaches 40% to start Title 1 funding is too late. All 4 Herndon ES's are now ranging from 45% to 82% poverty and many kids come in needing the basics like food. We feed lunches only to find out most don't get breakfast. So, we feed breakfast only to find out many don't have food or supervision on the weekends so we send backpacks home on the weekends with food they can make themselves. Many don't have dinner, so some Herndon schools are serving a meal prior to student dismissal. When half or the majority of the students are this seriously needy, do you think academics are on the radar? And, what do you think happens when SOLs are on the horizon and teachers are under the gun to get these kids to pass? Meanwhile, what are more capable students doing with all the effort focused on the needy? I know, our student was helping with the effort! We left our school. Test scores continue to decline. Concentrating poverty and throwing money at targeted schools is not working.

This is sad for Herndon, but as long as we have people who want sanctuary cities and undocumented immigrants streaming in, this is the situation.

Scattering these kids throughout the area is not going to change anything. There does not seem to be any end in sight. And, remember, Herndon's elected officials are fine with this.

Blaming us for living in a city were the elected officers allow sanctuary is no different than blaming you for living in the US with Trump as the president. For the most part, school aged parents were not the ones that voted them in so come up with a new argument.

The Dulles Toll Road doesn't have to be the boundary. Carson and Herndon Middle are close enough to switch some neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that extra funding should be injected at levels corresponding to the poverty percentage with the help targeted at those kids, but those percentages need to be lower. Waiting until the poverty level reaches 40% to start Title 1 funding is too late. All 4 Herndon ES's are now ranging from 45% to 82% poverty and many kids come in needing the basics like food. We feed lunches only to find out most don't get breakfast. So, we feed breakfast only to find out many don't have food or supervision on the weekends so we send backpacks home on the weekends with food they can make themselves. Many don't have dinner, so some Herndon schools are serving a meal prior to student dismissal. When half or the majority of the students are this seriously needy, do you think academics are on the radar? And, what do you think happens when SOLs are on the horizon and teachers are under the gun to get these kids to pass? Meanwhile, what are more capable students doing with all the effort focused on the needy? I know, our student was helping with the effort! We left our school. Test scores continue to decline. Concentrating poverty and throwing money at targeted schools is not working.

If you are not poor then you contributed to the concentration of poverty at the school when you removed your child.

Personally, I wholeheartedly agree with your decision to consider your own child first rather than being content to have them act as a tutor/assistant teacher.

Concentrating poverty may not "work" but distributing it around the county will not "work" either.

The unfortunate truth is that supplemental programs can only do so much. Children with one parent at home, parents that work multiple jobs, parents that didn't read to them from birth, house them in safe, peaceful environment, give them puzzles and so on and so forth will always be disadvantaged compared to children that grow up in circumstances more conducive to academic success. Free and reduced meals, lower student/teacher ratios, waivers for student activities etc. help. They will never lead to equality of outcomes. Some will beat the odds, thank god.

In the meantime, I am sure your child his grateful to have parents who took him/her out of an inadequate learning environment. I wish your child happiness and success.

[Anonymous]

The Dulles Toll Road doesn't have to be the boundary. Carson and Herndon Middle are close enough to switch some neighborhoods.

That's not going to help anyone. Transporting kids away from the closest school is additional transportation funds.

Carson is an AAP center. It is a very large one. That is one reason they have so few FARMS.

[Anonymous]

cont. If you start taking whole neighborhoods and moving them for no other reason than balance, you will have very upset parents. No one is happy with busing.

Do you know who really, really does not want property values to fall? The BOS. Property values fall and so does your tax base. Why do you think they approve boundary adjustments requested by builders? BOS puts pressure on SB to do this.