First day drop off -- MD tags

[Anonymous]

You're so right. One if the best measures if a principal's competence is quite obviously her ability to tell a DC license plate from a Maryland one! I mean, perhaps that's a good measure of competence for us all: they both do have flags on them. So there's some level of literacy involved in distinguishing them!

We are starting those foot patrols asap! I myself suggested a checkpoint, where we demanded to see papers if everyone doing drop off, but some of the other parents were strangely reticent. They are probably hiding something, like pg residents, in their mother-in-law basements.

[Anonymous]

^^^^ PP, your sarcasm wreaks of a DCPS troll. But that's OK. You may insist on not doing your job, but you cannot prevent the residents of this city from testifying to Council and publicly voicing your incompetence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're so right. One if the best measures if a principal's competence is quite obviously her ability to tell a DC license plate from a Maryland one! I mean, perhaps that's a good measure of competence for us all: they both do have flags on them. So there's some level of literacy involved in distinguishing them!

We are starting those foot patrols asap! I myself suggested a checkpoint, where we demanded to see papers if everyone doing drop off, but some of the other parents were strangely reticent. They are probably hiding something, like pg residents, in their mother-in-law basements.

If a principal were a company president or even a store manager, she would would be held accountable for, and therefore worry about, something called shrinkage -- basically theft and loss of assets. School principals obviously aren't responsible for a P&L, but they do have fiduciary and management responsibility to DCPS or the charter board, school stakeholders and ultimately the residents of the District to ensure that educational assets are being used appropriately, wisely and legally. Non-resident students whose parents cheat their way into public/charter schools are basically stealing scarce resources -- a spot that otherwise might have gone to a DC resident, teacher time and dollars that otherwise could have addressed other pressing educational priorities. Residency fraud is theft, from the taxpayers and from DC students and parents who play by the rules.

[Anonymous]

Non-resident students whose parents cheat their way into public/charter schools are basically stealing scarce resources -- a spot that otherwise might have gone to a DC resident, teacher time and dollars that otherwise could have addressed other pressing educational priorities. Residency fraud is theft, from the taxpayers and from DC students and parents who play by the rules.

Except this thread is 27 pages in, and you still haven't provided any hard data proving this is an actual problem, except in your mind, where it is apparently the worst problem facing DCPS in... well, ever. You've moved past the point of any rationality about this. So, yes. I am going to keep mocking you.

[Anonymous]

It's seems that a poster who's concerned about non-resident fraud from The County is not alone. I too am concerned. I too plan to take steps to make this problem very public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Non-resident students whose parents cheat their way into public/charter schools are basically stealing scarce resources -- a spot that otherwise might have gone to a DC resident, teacher time and dollars that otherwise could have addressed other pressing educational priorities. Residency fraud is theft, from the taxpayers and from DC students and parents who play by the rules.

Except this thread is 27 pages in, and you still haven't provided any hard data proving this is an actual problem, except in your mind, where it is apparently the worst problem facing DCPS in... well, ever. You've moved past the point of any rationality about this. So, yes. I am going to keep mocking you.

Sorry that we don't have surveys, but here is some data:

http://www.hunewsservice.com/news/view.php/53575/Residency-Fraud-A-Problem-in-DC-Public-S

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/excel-academy-public-charter-school-under-scrutiny-for-alleged-residency-fraud/2014/11/04/a23e7994-6435-11e4-836c-83bc4f26eb67_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Non-resident students whose parents cheat their way into public/charter schools are basically stealing scarce resources -- a spot that otherwise might have gone to a DC resident, teacher time and dollars that otherwise could have addressed other pressing educational priorities. Residency fraud is theft, from the taxpayers and from DC students and parents who play by the rules.

Except this thread is 27 pages in, and you still haven't provided any hard data proving this is an actual problem, except in your mind, where it is apparently the worst problem facing DCPS in... well, ever. You've moved past the point of any rationality about this. So, yes. I am going to keep mocking you.

Sorry that we don't have surveys, but here is some data:

http://www.hunewsservice.com/news/view.php/53575/Residency-Fraud-A-Problem-in-DC-Public-S

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/excel-academy-public-charter-school-under-scrutiny-for-alleged-residency-fraud/2014/11/04/a23e7994-6435-11e4-836c-83bc4f26eb67_story.html

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Both of these articles point out that there are investigations into residency fraud, but fewer than half are proven cheaters. The WaPo story (about a Ward 8 charter school, something few here on DCUM care about) said that it's a complex and labor intensive task for a school to take on by itself.

Principals are required to ensure verification. OSSE investigates anyone who may get around that. You can form parent patrols, stakeouts, follow people home, shame little kids about license plates - whatever makes you feel better. But you still have to report your suspicions in order for anything to official to happen. So do that.

[Anonymous]

Those numbers don't point to a huge issue for me. Much lIke drug testing welfare recipients, you spend a lot in an attempt to recoup from.a few. It probably costs more to investigate this supposed fraud than it does to find the minority of cheaters in investigated cases. Furthermore, your broad-ranging and wildly offensive comments about how "those people" need to go to chruches in their own communities has pretty much tainted the well.

[Anonymous]

>>>Both of these articles point out that there are investigations into residency fraud, but fewer than half are proven cheaters.

Consistent with claims on this board. Most people are concerend with one or two people at each school.

>>>The WaPo story (about a Ward 8 charter school, something few here on DCUM care about) said that it's a complex and labor intensive task for a school to take on by itself.

Yep. No disagreement there.

>>>But you still have to report your suspicions in order for anything to official to happen. So do that.

I have and I hope others consistently do as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:>>>Both of these articles point out that there are investigations into residency fraud, but fewer than half are proven cheaters.

Consistent with claims on this board. Most people are concerend with one or two people at each school.

>>>The WaPo story (about a Ward 8 charter school, something few here on DCUM care about) said that it's a complex and labor intensive task for a school to take on by itself.

Yep. No disagreement there.

>>>But you still have to report your suspicions in order for anything to official to happen. So do that.

I have and I hope others consistently do as well.

I've started to take photos of cars and parents at drop off/pickup to share with principal, DCPS and OSSE. Smile, cheaters -- you're on candid camera!

[Anonymous]

I've started to take photos of cars and parents at drop off/pickup to share with principal, DCPS and OSSE. Smile, cheaters -- you're on candid camera!

I think you should post them here.

Along with a selfie.

And pictures of your cats.

[Anonymous]

Just a random question: are members of the DC pcs board in charge of charter school oversight supposed to be residents of dc? Is it a conflict of interest when they're not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a random question: are members of the DC pcs board in charge of charter school oversight supposed to be residents of dc? Is it a conflict of interest when they're not?

I think they usually are residents, but don't know why it would be a conflict to have non-residents. I certainly think that DC residents should be in the majority, but bringing on a broadly experienced and less insular perspective can help a board. A conflict would be if Kaya Henderson served on the PCS board. And certainly if there are non-resident appointees, they should not have any special privileges like getting their kids into DC schools. (There used to be instances where DC principals who lived in MD improperly enrolled their own non-resident kids or grandkids in the schools they managed.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those numbers don't point to a huge issue for me. Much lIke drug testing welfare recipients, you spend a lot in an attempt to recoup from.a few. It probably costs more to investigate this supposed fraud than it does to find the minority of cheaters in investigated cases. Furthermore, your broad-ranging and wildly offensive comments about how "those people" need to go to chruches in their own communities has pretty much tainted the well.

There are multiple posters here, you're not debating with one person.

As for the wildly offensive comments about DC's commuter churches, I don't know where you live, but for the people in DC who live very close to one of the commuter churches in densely populated neighborhoods, it's an issue. I don't know about WaPo but the commuter church phenomenon and the related parking issue have been covered in the city paper, in the PoPville blog, other local blogs. Some of the people complaining about the illegal parking are black BTW, generally younger, with different views on religion, urban living. It's not strictly a white gentrifier versus black native washingtonian thing. My sense is that this thread is your first time encountering this church issue, so maybe you have not had the best introduction to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those numbers don't point to a huge issue for me. Much lIke drug testing welfare recipients, you spend a lot in an attempt to recoup from.a few. It probably costs more to investigate this supposed fraud than it does to find the minority of cheaters in investigated cases. Furthermore, your broad-ranging and wildly offensive comments about how "those people" need to go to chruches in their own communities has pretty much tainted the well.

There are multiple posters here, you're not debating with one person.

As for the wildly offensive comments about DC's commuter churches, I don't know where you live, but for the people in DC who live very close to one of the commuter churches in densely populated neighborhoods, it's an issue. I don't know about WaPo but the commuter church phenomenon and the related parking issue have been covered in the city paper, in the PoPville blog, other local blogs. Some of the people complaining about the illegal parking are black BTW, generally younger, with different views on religion, urban living. It's not strictly a white gentrifier versus black native washingtonian thing. My sense is that this thread is your first time encountering this church issue, so maybe you have not had the best introduction to it.

Adding: if you live WOTP, this church issue probably doesn't happen in your neighborhood. I think it's a capitol hill and EOTP thing.