Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.

And the school, or the entity that runs the school, has the right to determine how they select those students. They must have that right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.

And the school, or the entity that runs the school, has the right to determine how they select those students. They must have that right.

If a school decides they only want to select white students, do they have that right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.

And the school, or the entity that runs the school, has the right to determine how they select those students. They must have that right.

If a school decides they only want to select white students, do they have that right?

99% of the time, that’s been the case when it comes to this type of discrimination. This was even going on for years at TJ, then Asians learned how to get in, but they exploited the admissions policy to the point where things just had to change. How long did you expect the white people in charge to host the top high school in the country in a county where they are the majority, but there kids aren’t even the ones going there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.

And the school, or the entity that runs the school, has the right to determine how they select those students. They must have that right.

If a school decides they only want to select white students, do they have that right?

we will start to see more and more white kids returning to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.

And the school, or the entity that runs the school, has the right to determine how they select those students. They must have that right.

If a school decides they only want to select white students, do they have that right?

I guess so since they mostly select Asian students now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.

And the school, or the entity that runs the school, has the right to determine how they select those students. They must have that right.

If a school decides they only want to select white students, do they have that right?

No, but if they decide that they want to use a race-blind process that ensures that at least a minimum number of students have access to TJ from each of the sending schools, they can.

[Anonymous]

As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

It's fine if you're comfortable with admitting less qualified students to TJ based on geographical quotas that were adopted with the hope they'd change the school's racial demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

Oh yeah, we have to keep the YS kids out of there for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

It's fine if you're comfortable with admitting less qualified students to TJ based on geographical quotas that were adopted with the hope they'd change the school's racial demographics.

Yes, that is the best thing for society at large.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

It's fine if you're comfortable with admitting less qualified students to TJ based on geographical quotas that were adopted with the hope they'd change the school's racial demographics.

However, I would argue the students they're admitting now are more qualified. In the previous system, they were mostly admitting applications who had paid to access the test questions ahead of time. Maybe that makes them more qualified to you but in my book that is just cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

It's fine if you're comfortable with admitting less qualified students to TJ based on geographical quotas that were adopted with the hope they'd change the school's racial demographics.

However, I would argue the students they're admitting now are more qualified. In the previous system, they were mostly admitting applications who had paid to access the test questions ahead of time. Maybe that makes them more qualified to you but in my book that is just cheating.

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