Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

It's fine if you're comfortable with admitting less qualified students to TJ based on geographical quotas that were adopted with the hope they'd change the school's racial demographics.

However, I would argue the students they're admitting now are more qualified. In the previous system, they were mostly admitting applications who had paid to access the test questions ahead of time. Maybe that makes them more qualified to you but in my book that is just cheating.

This is a lie but perhaps you think repeating it frequently enough will mask the shortcomings of the current, more subjective process.

We’ll see in a few years how the Class of 2025 and later classes compare to their predecessors in actual achievement. In the interim interest in TJ V 2.0 is already starting to decline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

It seems to be fine the way it is. The only thing I would suggest is find a way to reintegrate teacher recs that is less biased.

It's fine if you're comfortable with admitting less qualified students to TJ based on geographical quotas that were adopted with the hope they'd change the school's racial demographics.

However, I would argue the students they're admitting now are more qualified. In the previous system, they were mostly admitting applications who had paid to access the test questions ahead of time. Maybe that makes them more qualified to you but in my book that is just cheating.

This is a lie but perhaps you think repeating it frequently enough will mask the shortcomings of the current, more subjective process.

We’ll see in a few years how the Class of 2025 and later classes compare to their predecessors in actual achievement. In the interim interest in TJ V 2.0 is already starting to decline.

Precisely how are you planning to measure this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

Oh yeah, we have to keep the YS kids out of there for sure.

What is YS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

Oh yeah, we have to keep the YS kids out of there for sure.

What is YS?

Young scholar. Once of the criteria is being a minority, so it's a backdoor way to use race

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

Oh yeah, we have to keep the YS kids out of there for sure.

What is YS?

Young scholar. Once of the criteria is being a minority, so it's a backdoor way to use race

It has nothing to do with race.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/young-scholars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

Oh yeah, we have to keep the YS kids out of there for sure.

What is YS?

Young scholar. Once of the criteria is being a minority, so it's a backdoor way to use race

It has nothing to do with race.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/young-scholars

It’s for underserved communities, but some groups of people who immigrated to this country think the underserved are supposed to stay underserved and when they come to this country, they should be considered equal to the group which is in control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I agree admissions policy had to change. The only question is how to do it in a thoughtful manner. Not the rush job in the middle of a pandemic seeking to ride the George Floyd outrage.

Both left and right talk nonsense on this topic. The middle ground has been lost in this.

So what is the middle ground? Enlighten us

How about keep the MS quotas, but drop experience factors/YS bump. And maybe add an additional essay that is more Engineering/Science related?

Oh yeah, we have to keep the YS kids out of there for sure.

What is YS?

Young scholar. Once of the criteria is being a minority, so it's a backdoor way to use race

It has nothing to do with race.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/young-scholars

It looks like they scrubbed the website, but they weren't thorough:

"Young Scholars is:

Designed to identify and nurture students with high academic potential who may face additional barriers to access and success in Advanced Academic Programs (AAP) and courses. This may include students who are the first in their family to attend college in the U.S., English language learners, students who are economically disadvantaged, and students who are twice exceptional.
A strategy to increase access to rigor found in:
The FCPS strategic plan.
The Closing the Achievement Gap framework.
*Twice exceptional, English Learners, Black, Hispanic or economically vulnerable"
https://www.fcps.edu/node/44243

[Anonymous]

What’s the asterisk for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s the asterisk for?

Poor writing by FCPS? That was the old qualification for young scholars

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s the asterisk for?

there is presumably a missing asterisk at the first appearance of twice exceptional.
I assume this means you have to meet two of these criteria, but english language learners is already included on its own.

[Anonymous]

Only weeks away from obliterating racial discrimination in school admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only weeks away from obliterating racial discrimination in school admissions.

That will not affect TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only weeks away from obliterating racial discrimination in school admissions.

That will not affect TJ.

We shall see. It depends on the scope of the decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Only weeks away from obliterating racial discrimination in school admissions.

That will not affect TJ.

We shall see. It depends on the scope of the decision.

No it will not matter regardless of the scope. It will barely impact college admissions, which will find other ways to achieve similar results, such as dropping SATs entirely, or just hiding what they are doing even more than they already are.

Unlike with colleges, TJ admissions already claims to be race-blind. At most they are grading essays with an eye on race if it gets mentioned in the essay.
Going after a per school admissions quota is not likely to be a result of the college Supreme Court decision.

[Anonymous]

Suppose TJ did what Loudoun did and put in a maximum quota per school for admissions, or even stronger, each middle school gets the same number of students.

Would that be considered racial discrimination?