Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

FCPS think they have a workaround to accept races by pulling from school with majority urms, it doesn't take a TJ grad to figure it out they are discriminating by race by hiding within the school demographics

The problem with your position is that the Fourth Circuit found that, at the summary judgment stage, there was no material evidence that the school board was considering race at the time it adopted the final admissions policy. That, by the way, is also the reason why the Supreme Court is extraordinarily unlikely to grant cert and take this case—the Fourth Circuit’s opinion relies heavily on evidence regarding the evolution of the proposals and how the final proposal was adopted. That is the type of issue that SCOTUS is unlikely to wade into, as it prefers to resolve legal issues that are novel or where there is a circuit split, rather than the types of factual issues at play here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

FCPS think they have a workaround to accept races by pulling from school with majority urms, it doesn't take a TJ grad to figure it out they are discriminating by race by hiding within the school demographics

The problem with your position is that the Fourth Circuit found that, at the summary judgment stage, there was no material evidence that the school board was considering race at the time it adopted the final admissions policy. That, by the way, is also the reason why the Supreme Court is extraordinarily unlikely to grant cert and take this case—the Fourth Circuit’s opinion relies heavily on evidence regarding the evolution of the proposals and how the final proposal was adopted. That is the type of issue that SCOTUS is unlikely to wade into, as it prefers to resolve legal issues that are novel or where there is a circuit split, rather than the types of factual issues at play here.

DP - the bolded is extremely important. Most of the so-called "evidence" in the "TJ Papers" was back-and-forth about a proposal that eventually was voted down - fairly decisively - by the School Board who is on trial here. The same evidence doesn't exist with regard to discussion about the process that was eventually approved and adopted. The Superintendent has already resigned, and the general wisdom seems to be that it was at least in part because of his bumbling approach to and public comments on his Merit Lottery proposal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

FCPS think they have a workaround to accept races by pulling from school with majority urms, it doesn't take a TJ grad to figure it out they are discriminating by race by hiding within the school demographics

The problem with your position is that the Fourth Circuit found that, at the summary judgment stage, there was no material evidence that the school board was considering race at the time it adopted the final admissions policy. That, by the way, is also the reason why the Supreme Court is extraordinarily unlikely to grant cert and take this case—the Fourth Circuit’s opinion relies heavily on evidence regarding the evolution of the proposals and how the final proposal was adopted. That is the type of issue that SCOTUS is unlikely to wade into, as it prefers to resolve legal issues that are novel or where there is a circuit split, rather than the types of factual issues at play here.

Weird because the process was in response to a lawsuit that claimed discrimination based on race. I didn't follow FCPS's changes, but Loudoun's changes were adopted at the same time. The presenter, possibly the superintendent, said their goal was to admit 'more black and brown kids.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

FCPS think they have a workaround to accept races by pulling from school with majority urms, it doesn't take a TJ grad to figure it out they are discriminating by race by hiding within the school demographics

The problem with your position is that the Fourth Circuit found that, at the summary judgment stage, there was no material evidence that the school board was considering race at the time it adopted the final admissions policy. That, by the way, is also the reason why the Supreme Court is extraordinarily unlikely to grant cert and take this case—the Fourth Circuit’s opinion relies heavily on evidence regarding the evolution of the proposals and how the final proposal was adopted. That is the type of issue that SCOTUS is unlikely to wade into, as it prefers to resolve legal issues that are novel or where there is a circuit split, rather than the types of factual issues at play here.

+1

Someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

50% of Fairfax County is white. This will be fair when 50% of TJ is white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:50% of Fairfax County is white. This will be fair when 50% of TJ is white.

Yeah, no. You won't find a bigger advocate of reform than me, but this is nonsense.

There's isn't equivalent interest among different racial groups in TJ. Now, that's a separate problem that needs solving through various means, but until it is, that statement is nonsense and seems like a false flag intended to lampoon white liberals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:50% of Fairfax County is white. This will be fair when 50% of TJ is white.

we did this to ourselves when we allowed Big Tech to replace US workers with cheap HXXXBs. Along with these workers came hard core racism.

[Anonymous]

Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

The race-blind policy that admits mostly Asians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of Fairfax County is white. This will be fair when 50% of TJ is white.

we did this to ourselves when we allowed Big Tech to replace US workers with cheap HXXXBs. Along with these workers came hard core racism.

The Chinese Exclusion Act was passed over 100 years ago because they were worried about a result like this. Then they opened things up 50 years later, and even later with tech visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:50% of Fairfax County is white. This will be fair when 50% of TJ is white.

we did this to ourselves when we allowed Big Tech to replace US workers with cheap HXXXBs. Along with these workers came hard core racism.

The Chinese Exclusion Act was passed over 100 years ago because they were worried about a result like this. Then they opened things up 50 years later, and even later with tech visas.

Yeah, the Blacks fought to get things opened for them during the civil rights era.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those looking for redress of the TJ admissions policy and those of other elite institutions through the Supreme Court could not have been happy to see Roberts and Kavanaugh join the liberals yesterday in ruling that Alabama's new congressional map that was designed to dilute Black voting power was unconstitutional.

They didn't rule that.

What do you think was the outcome of that case?

That the law requires proportional representation by race for districts. They didn't rule that either, but Thomas's dissent makes a strong case that is the effective result.
I am pointing out they didn't rule Alabama's map was unconstitutional.

Admission to an elite magnet school for advanced students isn't analogous to a right like voting. Everyone has a right to vote just like everyone can apply to TJ. Only some candidates win or are selected just like in elections.