Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

Just as a sampling: Adam Levine, John Mayer, anyone associated with Blink 182… there are so many.

I love when people call misogyny to defend a privileged white woman who is consistently over rated. It’s adorable. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, did Braun make money off of Swift's catalogue? Sure, lots!

Did he make as much money as he expected to? Seems doubtful. Seems like he sold the catalog off to try to stop the bleeding. And he responded publicly about how he regretted how everything happened (Swift resented that Braun wanted a signed NDA just to sit down and discuss the recordings with him). Possibly because he got a lot of hate over it.

Swift seems to have made a bunch of money off of it also. Her new versions of her old music sold millions and went up the charts. Seems like a win to me, but I don't hate her music so *shrug*

Geez. Way to contradict yourself. Braun made lots and lots of money but, he didn't make lots and lots and lots of money . Ok, Hailey.

Who are these people you keep calling responders to you? Are these just random female millennial names or are we supposed to know who they are?

My point above isn't contradictory, it seems pretty straightforward. Braun made a bunch of money off Swift, but not nearly as much as he expected to. He certainly did not expect Swift to rerelease her old albums and compete with her earlier music for sales and plays on Spotify etc. I mean, if you think he is some kind of genius in the way he handled this and Swift's moves on the rerecordings have been mistakes, I'd say you are wrong and clearly biased. And I'm not even a Swift fan, I just don't hate her.

I AM a feminist, and I appreciate that she wouldn't sign an NDA just for the privilege of meeting with Braun to talk about the mere possibility of buying her stuff. I'm tired of men silencing women with NDAs. Eff that.

[Anonymous]

A lot of people who had never heard of Scooter Braun before now really don't like him. Wikipedia tells me he got divorced last year and he's about 40 years old. I think it's kind of hilarious that his dating pool is probably filled with Taylor Swift fans. I'm sure his money solves a lot of that, but I bet it's awkward sometimes, which is kind of funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

Just as a sampling: Adam Levine, John Mayer, anyone associated with Blink 182… there are so many.

I love when people call misogyny to defend a privileged white woman who is consistently over rated. It’s adorable. Grow up.

Privileged white women and also black women and asian women and bi-racial women. The same people with such hate against TS are largely the same people who hate other successful women -- to add, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan, Meghan Markle, etc etc. Sure you'll name a few exceptions but basically haters are going to hate.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

TS has been very vocal that the masters situation is exactly how the industry works, but she disagrees with it and wants to change it. She never acted as if she was the only one "taken advantage of." She set out to change the industry as a whole, because she recognizes her position of power. Remember when she didn't want her music on streaming services because artists didn't get a fair cut? And then the industry changed? It's like that.

You are simply determined to find fault in everything she does, and it's frankly sad.

PPs game is interesting hecause it’s exactly opposite of my read. I agree taylor is not the biggest victim and had a lot of privilege here but that makes it particularly great she stood up for herself. As an opposite example, take gwyneth and Harvey Weinstein. He was awful to her, although not nearly as bad as he was to other young women. She told her boyfriend Brad, who basically threatened Weinstein and Weinstein backed off. Gwyneth had as much power as any young woman in the industry given her family connections (uncle Paul!) but she stayed quiet. If she had blasted Weinstein back then, maybe a lot of young women could have been spared. I’m not really blaming gwyneth or any victim that decides not to come forward. But we absolutely don’t want to discourage privileged women from coming forward to complain, accusing them of centering themselves or whatever —- because they are the ones that are most able to fight for a change and transparency. It’s a good way for them to spend their privilege. I’m not a huge taylor fan but one thing I like about her is that she’s willing to call the bullshit out for what it is, which I think makes it easier for women with less privilege and power to also do so. I feel the same about her music that speaks back to online bullying — I think it makes much less powerful people who have been called awful things online feel less alone to know that even beautiful thin rich famous women get called those same awful things, and that it says more about the person saying it than it does about the person being trashed. In that light, the “haters gonna hate” line is really powerful and empowering. And I think there really are girls that have used that song and other taylor songs to move past a really painful period and shake off the a-holes. Honestly, she could be doing much worse things with her privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

TS has been very vocal that the masters situation is exactly how the industry works, but she disagrees with it and wants to change it. She never acted as if she was the only one "taken advantage of." She set out to change the industry as a whole, because she recognizes her position of power. Remember when she didn't want her music on streaming services because artists didn't get a fair cut? And then the industry changed? It's like that.

You are simply determined to find fault in everything she does, and it's frankly sad.

PPs game is interesting hecause it’s exactly opposite of my read. I agree taylor is not the biggest victim and had a lot of privilege here but that makes it particularly great she stood up for herself. As an opposite example, take gwyneth and Harvey Weinstein. He was awful to her, although not nearly as bad as he was to other young women. She told her boyfriend Brad, who basically threatened Weinstein and Weinstein backed off. Gwyneth had as much power as any young woman in the industry given her family connections (uncle Paul!) but she stayed quiet. If she had blasted Weinstein back then, maybe a lot of young women could have been spared. I’m not really blaming gwyneth or any victim that decides not to come forward. But we absolutely don’t want to discourage privileged women from coming forward to complain, accusing them of centering themselves or whatever —- because they are the ones that are most able to fight for a change and transparency. It’s a good way for them to spend their privilege. I’m not a huge taylor fan but one thing I like about her is that she’s willing to call the bullshit out for what it is, which I think makes it easier for women with less privilege and power to also do so. I feel the same about her music that speaks back to online bullying — I think it makes much less powerful people who have been called awful things online feel less alone to know that even beautiful thin rich famous women get called those same awful things, and that it says more about the person saying it than it does about the person being trashed. In that light, the “haters gonna hate” line is really powerful and empowering. And I think there really are girls that have used that song and other taylor songs to move past a really painful period and shake off the a-holes. Honestly, she could be doing much worse things with her privilege.

I also agree with this. I've never taken what Taylor does as her playing the victim, to me she uses her power and privilege to fight what she believes is unfair situations. I don't 100% agree with all of her decisions, but I do agree with the messages she sends to her young fans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

Just as a sampling: Adam Levine, John Mayer, anyone associated with Blink 182… there are so many.

I love when people call misogyny to defend a privileged white woman who is consistently over rated. It’s adorable. Grow up.

Privileged white women and also black women and asian women and bi-racial women. The same people with such hate against TS are largely the same people who hate other successful women -- to add, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan, Meghan Markle, etc etc. Sure you'll name a few exceptions but basically haters are going to hate.

You're kidding, right? A self-proclaimed drunk internet troll? Find a better role model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

Just as a sampling: Adam Levine, John Mayer, anyone associated with Blink 182… there are so many.

I love when people call misogyny to defend a privileged white woman who is consistently over rated. It’s adorable. Grow up.

Privileged white women and also black women and asian women and bi-racial women. The same people with such hate against TS are largely the same people who hate other successful women -- to add, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan, Meghan Markle, etc etc. Sure you'll name a few exceptions but basically haters are going to hate.

You're kidding, right? A self-proclaimed drunk internet troll? Find a better role model.

You’re the only one who said “role model”.
If you can’t support successful women, at least don’t spend your days trying to tear them down — especially when you know almost nothing. And you’re proving the haters point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

Just as a sampling: Adam Levine, John Mayer, anyone associated with Blink 182… there are so many.

I love when people call misogyny to defend a privileged white woman who is consistently over rated. It’s adorable. Grow up.

Notice you didn't start a thread about how much you hate Adam Levine etc. The real kicker is you telling me to grow up. I think you should take your own advice...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, did Braun make money off of Swift's catalogue? Sure, lots!

Did he make as much money as he expected to? Seems doubtful. Seems like he sold the catalog off to try to stop the bleeding. And he responded publicly about how he regretted how everything happened (Swift resented that Braun wanted a signed NDA just to sit down and discuss the recordings with him). Possibly because he got a lot of hate over it.

Swift seems to have made a bunch of money off of it also. Her new versions of her old music sold millions and went up the charts. Seems like a win to me, but I don't hate her music so *shrug*

Geez. Way to contradict yourself. Braun made lots and lots of money but, he didn't make lots and lots and lots of money . Ok, Hailey.

Who are these people you keep calling responders to you? Are these just random female millennial names or are we supposed to know who they are?

My point above isn't contradictory, it seems pretty straightforward. Braun made a bunch of money off Swift, but not nearly as much as he expected to. He certainly did not expect Swift to rerelease her old albums and compete with her earlier music for sales and plays on Spotify etc. I mean, if you think he is some kind of genius in the way he handled this and Swift's moves on the rerecordings have been mistakes, I'd say you are wrong and clearly biased. And I'm not even a Swift fan, I just don't hate her.

I AM a feminist, and I appreciate that she wouldn't sign an NDA just for the privilege of meeting with Braun to talk about the mere possibility of buying her stuff. I'm tired of men silencing women with NDAs. Eff that.

Lmfao. Did Braun tell you the specific amount he hoped to make? Concern trolling much?

[Anonymous]

If I don't enjoy certain kinds of music or films, I don't watch/listen to them. Why say things are awful when lots of people enjoy them? Just stick to what you enjoy and leave others to their preferences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is old but I just came across it and it sums up everything I can't stand about Taylor Swift:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/reputation-reveals-a-taylor-swift-obsessed-with-fame-money-and-revenge?ref=scroll

I know this will provoke a bunch of Swifties to come and yell at me and say I'm a misogyinist, just jealous, or demand to know why I can't just let other people love things. So I'll defend myself in advance even though I know it won't matter:

1) Criticizing Taylor Swift is not misogyny but she works hard to make sure it looks that way by embracing a very specific brand of girl-power feminism so that if people criticize her, she can play the victim. It's a kind of feminism available only to pretty, rich white women with lots of pretty, rich female friends. Also, don't yell at me for criticizing someone who is "young" and "still learning." She's 32. She likes to play the victim and pretend she's just a teenage nerd with no friends, but as the link above discusses, this is an act designed to garner sympathy and, most importantly, sales.

2) I probably am jealous. But I'm not JUST jealous. I also have a point.

3) People can like whatever they want but I can also dislike whatever I want, and I really, really dislike Taylor Swift and needed to share it with the world today.

Ok op tell us about the male artists you don't like.

Just as a sampling: Adam Levine, John Mayer, anyone associated with Blink 182… there are so many.

I love when people call misogyny to defend a privileged white woman who is consistently over rated. It’s adorable. Grow up.

Privileged white women and also black women and asian women and bi-racial women. The same people with such hate against TS are largely the same people who hate other successful women -- to add, Lizzo, Chrissy Teigan, Meghan Markle, etc etc. Sure you'll name a few exceptions but basically haters are going to hate.

You're kidding, right? A self-proclaimed drunk internet troll? Find a better role model.

You’re the only one who said “role model”.
If you can’t support successful women, at least don’t spend your days trying to tear them down — especially when you know almost nothing. And you’re proving the haters point.

That is literally exactly what Teigan did. Spent her days on the internet trying to tear other women down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, did Braun make money off of Swift's catalogue? Sure, lots!

Did he make as much money as he expected to? Seems doubtful. Seems like he sold the catalog off to try to stop the bleeding. And he responded publicly about how he regretted how everything happened (Swift resented that Braun wanted a signed NDA just to sit down and discuss the recordings with him). Possibly because he got a lot of hate over it.

Swift seems to have made a bunch of money off of it also. Her new versions of her old music sold millions and went up the charts. Seems like a win to me, but I don't hate her music so *shrug*

Geez. Way to contradict yourself. Braun made lots and lots of money but, he didn't make lots and lots and lots of money . Ok, Hailey.

Who are these people you keep calling responders to you? Are these just random female millennial names or are we supposed to know who they are?

My point above isn't contradictory, it seems pretty straightforward. Braun made a bunch of money off Swift, but not nearly as much as he expected to. He certainly did not expect Swift to rerelease her old albums and compete with her earlier music for sales and plays on Spotify etc. I mean, if you think he is some kind of genius in the way he handled this and Swift's moves on the rerecordings have been mistakes, I'd say you are wrong and clearly biased. And I'm not even a Swift fan, I just don't hate her.

I AM a feminist, and I appreciate that she wouldn't sign an NDA just for the privilege of meeting with Braun to talk about the mere possibility of buying her stuff. I'm tired of men silencing women with NDAs. Eff that.

Lmfao. Did Braun tell you the specific amount he hoped to make? Concern trolling much?

Right, I’m sure he totally expected competition from the artist herself, backed by her loyal fan base, on the Spotify and radio plays. You are being so deliberately obtuse that it’s funny!