Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Fearless (Taylor's Version), Swift's first re-recorded album, accomplished a similar feat compared to the original Fearless, earning more equivalent album units in its first week of release (291,000) than the 2008 original earned in its first full year going head-to-head with the re-recorded album (242,000).

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

That idiot had to go back 2 years to find something to back up her worthless opinion. She's just trolling at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

That idiot had to go back 2 years to find something to back up her worthless opinion. She's just trolling at this point.

Idolatry truly fascinates me , in a voyeuristic way . The way some are just wrapped into it to the point where they act like their whole world ( whatever is left of it) will come crumbling down because someone has saif something that doesn't fit with their worship. Someone's opinion is suppsedly worthless buy, here you are, responding to said worthless opinion. Deplorable much ?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

That idiot had to go back 2 years to find something to back up her worthless opinion. She's just trolling at this point.

Idolatry truly fascinates me , in a voyeuristic way . The way some are just wrapped into it to the point where they act like their whole world ( whatever is left of it) will come crumbling down because someone has saif something that doesn't fit with their worship. Someone's opinion is suppsedly worthless buy, here you are, responding to said worthless opinion. Deplorable much ?

Jealous much?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

Seems, like a typical cult member you're in denial. A few pages ago, you're all prattling about scott braun and its 'exploitation' when the guy made a hefty profit and has since moved on. I'm sure you all are experts in business which is why you're all running your own private equity firms, right ? I mean , shamarock capital is staffed by idiots who didn't do their due diligence and three $300M for the fun of it , right ? Lol. Keep telling yourselves whatever fairy tales you want. But know this: the new owners of swift catalog are getting paid, handsomely.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

That idiot had to go back 2 years to find something to back up her worthless opinion. She's just trolling at this point.

Idolatry truly fascinates me , in a voyeuristic way . The way some are just wrapped into it to the point where they act like their whole world ( whatever is left of it) will come crumbling down because someone has saif something that doesn't fit with their worship. Someone's opinion is suppsedly worthless buy, here you are, responding to said worthless opinion. Deplorable much ?

Jealous much?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

Seems, like a typical cult member you're in denial. A few pages ago, you're all prattling about scott braun and its 'exploitation' when the guy made a hefty profit and has since moved on. I'm sure you all are experts in business which is why you're all running your own private equity firms, right ? I mean , shamarock capital is staffed by idiots who didn't do their due diligence and three $300M for the fun of it , right ? Lol. Keep telling yourselves whatever fairy tales you want. But know this: the new owners of swift catalog are getting paid, handsomely.

Take a seat. You've been proven wrong many times. Find a hobby other than arguing without facts.

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I mean, did Braun make money off of Swift's catalogue? Sure, lots!

Did he make as much money as he expected to? Seems doubtful. Seems like he sold the catalog off to try to stop the bleeding. And he responded publicly about how he regretted how everything happened (Swift resented that Braun wanted a signed NDA just to sit down and discuss the recordings with him). Possibly because he got a lot of hate over it.

Swift seems to have made a bunch of money off of it also. Her new versions of her old music sold millions and went up the charts. Seems like a win to me, but I don't hate her music so *shrug*

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

Seems, like a typical cult member you're in denial. A few pages ago, you're all prattling about scott braun and its 'exploitation' when the guy made a hefty profit and has since moved on. I'm sure you all are experts in business which is why you're all running your own private equity firms, right ? I mean , shamarock capital is staffed by idiots who didn't do their due diligence and three $300M for the fun of it , right ? Lol. Keep telling yourselves whatever fairy tales you want. But know this: the new owners of swift catalog are getting paid, handsomely.

Take a seat. You've been proven wrong many times. Find a hobby other than arguing without facts.

Says the people who didnt even know why music label own masters, who called a guitar a percussion instrument . Show me where you swift disciples and your arrested devlopment syndromes ( as another poster noted) proved anything. Also, i know its hard for your pea-sized brain to process but I'm not the OP in case you were wondering.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, did Braun make money off of Swift's catalogue? Sure, lots!

Did he make as much money as he expected to? Seems doubtful. Seems like he sold the catalog off to try to stop the bleeding. And he responded publicly about how he regretted how everything happened (Swift resented that Braun wanted a signed NDA just to sit down and discuss the recordings with him). Possibly because he got a lot of hate over it.

Swift seems to have made a bunch of money off of it also. Her new versions of her old music sold millions and went up the charts. Seems like a win to me, but I don't hate her music so *shrug*

Geez. Way to contradict yourself. Braun made lots and lots of money but, he didn't make lots and lots and lots of money . Ok, Hailey.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

Source ?

DP, but here: https://americansongwriter.com/taylor-swift-net-worth-and-effects-of-re-releasing-albums/

After her release of Red (Taylor’s Version), Swift broke the record for the most-streamed album in a day by a female and the most-streamed female in a day. Shortly after breaking that record, Swift broke another record: “All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor’s Version)” made history as the longest song to top the charts. Swift’s song nudged out “American Pie” by Don McLean for the title.

I remember a whole lot of hoopla over the various rerecordings and alternate takes of All Too Well, it was ubiquitous for a while even though it was long. The rerecording! The longer version! The video to the longer version! The Sad Girl Autumn version! Fans seemed to like it.

See also this Forbes article about the popularity of the rereleases and how they are selling well: https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigailfreeman/2021/04/09/taylor-swift-is-free-again-but-just-how-much-is-her-fearless-strategy-worth/?sh=97d35dc7f05a

Seems like you picked the most pessimistic article out there discussing the rerecordings. Not sure how that happened but I'm not sure you thoroughly checked through all your google results fwiw.

Seems, like a typical cult member you're in denial. A few pages ago, you're all prattling about scott braun and its 'exploitation' when the guy made a hefty profit and has since moved on. I'm sure you all are experts in business which is why you're all running your own private equity firms, right ? I mean , shamarock capital is staffed by idiots who didn't do their due diligence and three $300M for the fun of it , right ? Lol. Keep telling yourselves whatever fairy tales you want. But know this: the new owners of swift catalog are getting paid, handsomely.

Take a seat. You've been proven wrong many times. Find a hobby other than arguing without facts.

Says the people who didnt even know why music label own masters, who called a guitar a percussion instrument . Show me where you swift disciples and your arrested devlopment syndromes ( as another poster noted) proved anything. Also, i know its hard for your pea-sized brain to process but I'm not the OP in case you were wondering.

You’re just embarrassing yourself now.

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Yes and yes to the post title. I do not get the obsession with her.

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This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

1) PP’s description of the masters issue is good though because it demonstrates both the Taylor was not uniquely victimized by the situation (it’s actually very common and how the music industry works, which sucks, but is not specifically about Taylor), and second shows that it was more complex than just “the tricked me!” Her dads involvement in particular is key because unlike many very young recording acts, Taylor had very financially savvy parents helping her with the situation. Most young artists get screwed far worse but you never hear about it because they have way less power than swift does.

2) The Kanye thing was nothing and ultimately probably helped her career because it made her look sympathetic and Kanye look nuts (for just one of many times). It’s not like there were any negative consequences for Taylor. In fact, a similar thing JUST happened to Quinta Brunson at the Emmy’s and she dies not seem to care at all because whatever, she still won and if someone attention-hungry dude wants to steal her spotlight she’ll just move on. Meanwhile people are STILL talking about the Kanye thing. It was like a decade ago.

3) Taylor got a court judgment in her favor on her sexual assault (which is good). Not to discount her experience, but she didn’t have the most upsetting sexual assault experience. And she was able to take it to court and get a judgment. I am a sexual assault survivor and have worked with sexual violence survivors through charitable groups and this is like the most optimistic possible outcome. It never happens! Most people are not believed, bullied into thinking it’s their fault, or further victimized by the system when they try to seek justice.

Context matters. Taylor Swift is NOT a victim but her music and interviews would make you think she’d had a very hard life where she had very little power. The opposite is true. She’s uniquely empowered.

TS has been very vocal that the masters situation is exactly how the industry works, but she disagrees with it and wants to change it. She never acted as if she was the only one "taken advantage of." She set out to change the industry as a whole, because she recognizes her position of power. Remember when she didn't want her music on streaming services because artists didn't get a fair cut? And then the industry changed? It's like that.

You are simply determined to find fault in everything she does, and it's frankly sad.