Will Manchin and Sinema crack?

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Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?

Nope. Which means Manchin wins. And they haven't even convinced Sinema yet of anything. If this BBB Act passes at all - it'll be down to the XMas wire.

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?

Or maybe Manchin realizes that West Virginia will never elect another Democrat to statewide office.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Manchin crossover to the GOP?

He said today absolutely not.

Yeah. David Corn started that rumor.
If he were to ever change parties, he would just do it. Not announce it to some left-wing reporter.

If Manchin switches to Republican he just becomes another number and loses his power and ability to hold Dems hostage.

That said he's kind of a failure anyhow. He promised to deliver 10 Republican yes votes on the Voter Rights bill. Not a single Republican voted yes. Manchin only has his own obstruction as his power.

Manchin switches to GOP, he loses the chair of ENR Committee. There’s 10+ GOP senators from fossil fuel states who would get priority over him for the seat. He’s at the bottom of the totem pole in the GOP. He’s nothing if he goes independent.

He will switch to Independent and caucus with whichever party let’s him keep the most power which certainly would include that Committee.

He’s not switching anything and if he did you should be terrified as Democrats automatically lose the majority and the ability to appoint federal judges.

I guess there are a lot of things that I could classify as terrifying, but an opposing party appointing federal judges doesn’t quite make that list.

Then you weren't watching the judges appointed by Trump and pushed through like a factory processing plant by McConnell for four years.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Manchin crossover to the GOP?

He said today absolutely not.

Yeah. David Corn started that rumor.
If he were to ever change parties, he would just do it. Not announce it to some left-wing reporter.

If Manchin switches to Republican he just becomes another number and loses his power and ability to hold Dems hostage.

That said he's kind of a failure anyhow. He promised to deliver 10 Republican yes votes on the Voter Rights bill. Not a single Republican voted yes. Manchin only has his own obstruction as his power.

Manchin switches to GOP, he loses the chair of ENR Committee. There’s 10+ GOP senators from fossil fuel states who would get priority over him for the seat. He’s at the bottom of the totem pole in the GOP. He’s nothing if he goes independent.

He will switch to Independent and caucus with whichever party let’s him keep the most power which certainly would include that Committee.

He’s not switching anything and if he did you should be terrified as Democrats automatically lose the majority and the ability to appoint federal judges.

I guess there are a lot of things that I could classify as terrifying, but an opposing party appointing federal judges doesn’t quite make that list.

Then you weren't watching the judges appointed by Trump and pushed through like a factory processing plant by McConnell for four years.

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All the GOP did for four years was the billionaire tax cut and installing hard right (frequently totally unqualified) judges to help the GOP’s fascist fantasies come to fruition.

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

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- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

But it cost money for people to work. If you look at cities that had universal income programs, you find that people actually worked more because it bridged their ability to go from not working to working.

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

But it cost money for people to work. If you look at cities that had universal income programs, you find that people actually worked more because it bridged their ability to go from not working to working.

Geez. How have we gotten by all these years?

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He wants fewer programs for a longer time period. Which programs though?

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Anonymous wrote:To b fair, Manchin probably has a point regarding workers in WV. The limits he is trying to apply work for his state.

I'm fine with either his policy:

- Flat $60,000 HHI limit and must be employed

or

- Keep $150,000 HHI limit but limit the number of qualifying children per household to no more than 4 and must be employed

No more - not working but getting $3,600 annually per child. No more - $365,000 household income and 3 kids and getting $9,000 annually per child. No more - $45,000 HHI and 11 kids and getting $3,600 per child.

Lower the limit. Limit the number of children. Require employment.

Hallelujah. The previous free-for-all was ridiculous:

The child tax credit will also only go to those at certain income thresholds, a key concession to some of the Senate's moderates who had called for means testing.

But it cost money for people to work. If you look at cities that had universal income programs, you find that people actually worked more because it bridged their ability to go from not working to working.

Geez. How have we gotten by all these years?

Uh, the covid UBI experiment was a dramatic failure. The workforce left to Netflix & chill. Now it’s impossible to hire and inflation is rampant. I used to be a Yanger. No more.

[Anonymous]

Convince me that throwing trillions to hire more federal bureaucrats will fix ANYTHING.

All you get is more layers of mgmt, more decision makers in DC to lord and rule over people. The government becomes less agile with more people weighing in on every aspect of our lives.

"Human Infrastructure " is a ruse to hire more administrators and paper pushers to no good end. Leave us alone fed.gov

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Anonymous wrote:Convince me that throwing trillions to hire more federal bureaucrats will fix ANYTHING.

All you get is more layers of mgmt, more decision makers in DC to lord and rule over people. The government becomes less agile with more people weighing in on every aspect of our lives.

"Human Infrastructure " is a ruse to hire more administrators and paper pushers to no good end. Leave us alone fed.gov

Yes, a federal government that is unable to get containers off ships, unable to secure our border, unwilling to produce enough gas for our country........

And, they want the American people to trust them with a $3.5 Trillion boondoggle that, according to Biden, costs nothing.

Sure. Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Manchin rumor is a shot across the bow to Schumer. Do you really think Schumer will risk giving up Senate Majority Leader?

Manchin would lose any and all clout and bargaining power he has if he changed parties. Such a move would be a total dick move, pure spite.

Meanwhile, I wonder if Senators can be sued for not following the will of a majority of their constituents to get them to vote according to their constituents' wishes. If that were a possibility, Arizonans should smack Sinema down with it in a heartbeat.

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Anonymous wrote:Convince me that throwing trillions to hire more federal bureaucrats will fix ANYTHING.

All you get is more layers of mgmt, more decision makers in DC to lord and rule over people. The government becomes less agile with more people weighing in on every aspect of our lives.

"Human Infrastructure " is a ruse to hire more administrators and paper pushers to no good end. Leave us alone fed.gov

Yes, a federal government that is unable to get containers off ships, unable to secure our border, unwilling to produce enough gas for our country........

And, they want the American people to trust them with a $3.5 Trillion boondoggle that, according to Biden, costs nothing.

Sure. Sure.

Beats the hell out of trusting YOUR side, which put a $7T lower-tax boondoggle on America which delivered nothing whatsoever of value to 99% of Americans and cost $7T.