Jogger Chased and Shot

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why couldn't have these men called the police? This reminds me of Howard Beach. White people think they can just kill black people and there are no consequences.

They DID call the police. Of the many absurd details of this situation that's one of them. They were so confident in the righteousness of their actions that they called the police and still took it upon themselves to enact their own form of justice. They knew they'd get away with whatever.

From what I remember from the reporting of the call (I feel like I read this weeks ago at this point...), the 911 operator basically said, "and? Did this man you're reporting do anything wrong?"

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/dispatcher-what-was-he-doing-wrong/article_fe51cdd4-3bb6-5815-9dec-ddcdc8f879f8.html

Edit, the exact quote is: "I just need to know what he was doing wrong."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

Oh yes, in the moment, that's what I'm thinking. If I run and they shoot, it will be murder. You are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why couldn't have these men called the police? This reminds me of Howard Beach. White people think they can just kill black people and there are no consequences.

They DID call the police. Of the many absurd details of this situation that's one of them. They were so confident in the righteousness of their actions that they called the police and still took it upon themselves to enact their own form of justice. They knew they'd get away with whatever.

From what I remember from the reporting of the call (I feel like I read this weeks ago at this point...), the 911 operator basically said, "and? Did this man you're reporting do anything wrong?"

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/dispatcher-what-was-he-doing-wrong/article_fe51cdd4-3bb6-5815-9dec-ddcdc8f879f8.html

Edit, the exact quote is: "I just need to know what he was doing wrong."

This situation is so similar to the Trayvon Martin case that it is honestly creepy.

Law enforcement adjacent white guy with a gun sees something "suspicious" and engages an unarmed Black boy/man. The jacked up white guy is repeatedly warned by the 911 operator not to engage the person, but does so anyway. The white guy stalks the Black boy/man through the neighborhood, eventually confronting him. In an "altercation" that HE instigated, he ends up shooting the boy/man and then claiming self defense.

The only difference is these particular jacked up racists might actually be convicted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

This exactly. He ran out of the street and towards the curb to avoid the men with guns, as he rounded the right side of the truck he was greeted by Travis pointing a gun in his face. At that point, it became a fight for his life.

[Anonymous]

There’s lots of speculation why he entered the house. People here are offering up all sorts of reasons and speculation in posts here about why they thought he was entering the house...

I’d like to point something out right now about DCUM - DCUM’s own subtle, pathetic racism.

Because I suggested he might’ve entered the house to look for a job application or information about getting hired by the builder. And that post was deleted.

Because DCUM simply cannot fathom that a black man would walk into a jobsite and seek out an employment application. And anyone suggesting such a thing must be making a tongue in cheek joke.

Except unlike DCUM, I know better. Because guys like that sometimes DO walk up into a job site and ask for work. Because I’ve hired them.


DCUM’s own racism is shining right through, for all to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why couldn't have these men called the police? This reminds me of Howard Beach. White people think they can just kill black people and there are no consequences.

They DID call the police. Of the many absurd details of this situation that's one of them. They were so confident in the righteousness of their actions that they called the police and still took it upon themselves to enact their own form of justice. They knew they'd get away with whatever.

From what I remember from the reporting of the call (I feel like I read this weeks ago at this point...), the 911 operator basically said, "and? Did this man you're reporting do anything wrong?"

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/dispatcher-what-was-he-doing-wrong/article_fe51cdd4-3bb6-5815-9dec-ddcdc8f879f8.html

Edit, the exact quote is: "I just need to know what he was doing wrong."

This situation is so similar to the Trayvon Martin case that it is honestly creepy.

Law enforcement adjacent white guy with a gun sees something "suspicious" and engages an unarmed Black boy/man. The jacked up white guy is repeatedly warned by the 911 operator not to engage the person, but does so anyway. The white guy stalks the Black boy/man through the neighborhood, eventually confronting him. In an "altercation" that HE instigated, he ends up shooting the boy/man and then claiming self defense.

The only difference is these particular jacked up racists might actually be convicted.

I’ve been thinking the same thing all along. I’m afraid they still won’t get convicted. The video certainly helps, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why couldn't have these men called the police? This reminds me of Howard Beach. White people think they can just kill black people and there are no consequences.

They DID call the police. Of the many absurd details of this situation that's one of them. They were so confident in the righteousness of their actions that they called the police and still took it upon themselves to enact their own form of justice. They knew they'd get away with whatever.

From what I remember from the reporting of the call (I feel like I read this weeks ago at this point...), the 911 operator basically said, "and? Did this man you're reporting do anything wrong?"

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/dispatcher-what-was-he-doing-wrong/article_fe51cdd4-3bb6-5815-9dec-ddcdc8f879f8.html

Edit, the exact quote is: "I just need to know what he was doing wrong."

Thank you! I asked about the 911 call or calls earlier and didn’t know they were already out there.

[Anonymous]

Modern day lynching. These entitled assholes felt they were in the right, took the law into their own hands and confronted someone they thought was breaking the law. Now they cry foul.
As an above PP said, they instigated this whole mess - the chase, the confrontation with the gun (why did they need these).What was the runner supposed to do?

[Anonymous]

Look who arrived to "citizen arrest" the 3rd white supremacist who chased him with the truck cornering him so he could be murdered.

CITIZEN'S ARREST, CITIZEN'S ARREST.

It's legal in GA and since he committed a felony....

[Anonymous]

The thing that really bothers me is that the DA is using first hand probable cause as the reasoning for why going after him was justified. With that application, anyone could do what they just did.

...a burglary suspect, with solid first-hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/telling him to stop....What's critical about Georgia's law (is that) although you are allowed to detain someone as a citizen if you think they committed a crime, you cannot use excessive force,” Pate said in an interview on “The Morning Show.” “So even if there was a crime committed and he was trying to hold onto Mr. Arbery to wait for police, you cannot then escalate it, as I think happened in this case.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

This exactly. He ran out of the street and towards the curb to avoid the men with guns, as he rounded the right side of the truck he was greeted by Travis pointing a gun in his face. At that point, it became a fight for his life.

Malarkey after malarkey.

Someone made wrong decision after wrong decision and ended up dead.

Happens all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

This exactly. He ran out of the street and towards the curb to avoid the men with guns, as he rounded the right side of the truck he was greeted by Travis pointing a gun in his face. At that point, it became a fight for his life.

Malarkey after malarkey.

Someone made wrong decision after wrong decision and ended up dead.

Happens all the time.

Deplorables gotta deplore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

This exactly. He ran out of the street and towards the curb to avoid the men with guns, as he rounded the right side of the truck he was greeted by Travis pointing a gun in his face. At that point, it became a fight for his life.

Malarkey after malarkey.

Someone made wrong decision after wrong decision and ended up dead.

Happens all the time.

So then you are fine with the 3 white supremacists getting the death penalty. Hey we agree!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.