Jogger Chased and Shot

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

No self defense class ever says to comply with killers holding you at gun point.

Women are attacked jogging all the time and every self defense class in the world says... RUN if you can fight if you must

NEVER let them detain you.... NEVER go to a 2nd location.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

So what you're saying is, black people should must comply with the orders of armed white men, and if they resist, the armed white men can shoot them in self-defense, because the black person created a kill or be killed situation? Do you understand that that is what you're saying?

How about when someone chases me down and points a gun at me, THEY created a kill or be killed situation, and I have every right to do what I have to do to survive. And if I don't survive, I was murdered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why couldn't have these men called the police? This reminds me of Howard Beach. White people think they can just kill black people and there are no consequences.

They DID call the police. Of the many absurd details of this situation that's one of them. They were so confident in the righteousness of their actions that they called the police and still took it upon themselves to enact their own form of justice. They knew they'd get away with whatever.

From what I remember from the reporting of the call (I feel like I read this weeks ago at this point...), the 911 operator basically said, "and? Did this man you're reporting do anything wrong?"

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/dispatcher-what-was-he-doing-wrong/article_fe51cdd4-3bb6-5815-9dec-ddcdc8f879f8.html

Edit, the exact quote is: "I just need to know what he was doing wrong."

This situation is so similar to the Trayvon Martin case that it is honestly creepy.

Law enforcement adjacent white guy with a gun sees something "suspicious" and engages an unarmed Black boy/man. The jacked up white guy is repeatedly warned by the 911 operator not to engage the person, but does so anyway. The white guy stalks the Black boy/man through the neighborhood, eventually confronting him. In an "altercation" that HE instigated, he ends up shooting the boy/man and then claiming self defense.

The only difference is these particular jacked up racists might actually be convicted.

Yep, that's exactly what I keep thinking. I don't think anyone should be able to claim self-defense in an altercation they instigated. Trayvon was defending HIMSELF, and so was this man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

No self defense class ever says to comply with killers holding you at gun point.

Women are attacked jogging all the time and every self defense class in the world says... RUN if you can fight if you must

NEVER let them detain you.... NEVER go to a 2nd location.

You changed the facts to support your argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Indeed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

No self defense class ever says to comply with killers holding you at gun point.

Women are attacked jogging all the time and every self defense class in the world says... RUN if you can fight if you must

NEVER let them detain you.... NEVER go to a 2nd location.

You changed the facts to support your argument.

No I didn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Not a runner, but a walker. White woman. There is NO EFFING WAY I am “complying” with three guys in two cars with guns if I have any other choice whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Not a runner, but a walker. White woman. There is NO EFFING WAY I am “complying” with three guys in two cars with guns if I have any other choice whatsoever.

You can choose to wait for the police, which they had already called, or you can fight them.

Pretty easy choice if you ask me, but you be you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The District Attorney in charge needs to be recalled.

Brunswick District Attorney Jackie Johnson blocked police from arresting a father and son for the murder of black jogger Ahmaud Arbery, 25, because one of them used to work on her office, commissioners say

She's in charge of prosecution and she let them skate off into the sunset.

Jackie Johnson
District Attorney

701 H Street
Box 301
Brunswick, GA 31520

Phone: [phone]



https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/georgia/ahmaud-arbery-neighbors-want-arrests-new-district-attorney-following-deadly-shooting/JAXRBP3YURE25EYSJIMOKFJCU4/

How is this woman still in her job? This is egregious.

Hopefully this ends with her fired.

ATLANTA — The Georgia prosecutors who first handled the fatal shooting of a black man, before charges were filed more than two months later, were placed under investigation Tuesday for their conduct in the case, which has fueled a national outcry and questions about whether the slaying was racially motivated.

https://www.gloucestertimes.com/news/national_world_news/local-prosecutors-under-investigation-in-georgia-slaying/article_16599548-7d87-51b5-afdc-8feba7352b9c.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Not a runner, but a walker. White woman. There is NO EFFING WAY I am “complying” with three guys in two cars with guns if I have any other choice whatsoever.

You can choose to wait for the police, which they had already called, or you can fight them.

Pretty easy choice if you ask me, but you be you.

You want me to let 3 men abduct me and trust they called the police because they suspected I committed a crime when I know I had not.

You are insane and my LEO family would advise against letting anybody without a badge hold you at gun point ... unless you are into being raped and killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Not a runner, but a walker. White woman. There is NO EFFING WAY I am “complying” with three guys in two cars with guns if I have any other choice whatsoever.

You can choose to wait for the police, which they had already called, or you can fight them.

Pretty easy choice if you ask me, but you be you.

You want me to let 3 men abduct me and trust they called the police because they suspected I committed a crime when I know I had not.

You are insane and my LEO family would advise against letting anybody without a badge hold you at gun point ... unless you are into being raped and killed.

NP. It's amazing how the LE experts come out of the woodwork whenever a minority is shot by a white person. Every situation is different. Are you a 30 year old black man? Do you think they really wanted to rape him? Yes, you can chose to fight if you want. But in this case, that was a bad move. A move that resulted in his death.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Not a runner, but a walker. White woman. There is NO EFFING WAY I am “complying” with three guys in two cars with guns if I have any other choice whatsoever.

You can choose to wait for the police, which they had already called, or you can fight them.

Pretty easy choice if you ask me, but you be you.

How do you know the police have been called?

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NP. It's amazing how the LE experts come out of the woodwork whenever a minority is shot by a white person. Every situation is different. Are you a 30 year old black man? Do you think they really wanted to rape him? Yes, you can chose to fight if you want. But in this case, that was a bad move. A move that resulted in his death.

Classes I've been in have only addressed the lead up where the priority is to avoid the situation followed by escape the situation (get off the X). Once you're in a situation where escape is impossible, survival situations are extremely dynamic. In some cases the only survivor is the one who freezes and plays dead. In others it's the one who fights back. In others it's the one who runs. People have different responses in the situation and all are as reasonable as it gets. Internet heroes playing armchair quarterback aren't any more likely to have had a better reaction.

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NP. It's amazing how the LE experts come out of the woodwork whenever a minority is shot by a white person. Every situation is different. Are you a 30 year old black man? Do you think they really wanted to rape him? Yes, you can chose to fight if you want. But in this case, that was a bad move. A move that resulted in his death.

Classes I've been in have only addressed the lead up where the priority is to avoid the situation followed by escape the situation (get off the X). Once you're in a situation where escape is impossible, survival situations are extremely dynamic. In some cases the only survivor is the one who freezes and plays dead. In others it's the one who fights back. In others it's the one who runs. People have different responses in the situation and all are as reasonable as it gets. Internet heroes playing armchair quarterback aren't any more likely to have had a better reaction.

I guess that depends on what kind of internet hero you are. If you are one who would have complied, you would be alive. If you are one who tried to be a hero or put up a fight, you would be 6 foot under.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here: I should add I’m on team Arbery, I only posted the leaked letter because it explains the Georgia laws well.

That is the problem. This thread is full of people who view African Americans as being victims and will then play the game of twisting things to support their "team." Didn't we learn from previous cases that these encounters are rarely black and white?

It's kind of ironic because cops tend to do the same thing.

Have you noticed that any poster who brings up the fact that the jogger charged at the guy with the shotgun is called a racist. This is a key point because it is very difficult to fight someone that is trying to take a long gun. Your option at that point for an untrained person is to shoot the person or be killed by the person attempting to take your rifle. Ultimately, I hope these guys will be judged by their horrible judgement preceding the shooting.

You mean tried to take the gun away from And armed gunman who have been following him in a vehicle got out was aggressive towards him and in an attempt to try to save himself was engaged in a scuffle ?
are you crazy??
Somebody comes at you with a firearm and you’re actually going to try to somehow make the person defending themselves against a bullet at fault in anyway?

Looks like we have another Arbery "team" member incapable of critical thinking due to their emotional state and/or affiliation. Who said that he was at fault? It sounds like you don't know much about the law or tactics. If those yahoos would have shot him as he was running away, this would be a slam dunk murder charge. Right now, not so much.

What are you talking about? I’m the original PP and I am well-aware that Arbery had priors and grabbed a shotgun in a fight. But if you have any common sense, then you know that if the police had arrived at the scene and Arbery had patiently waited, they would have literally cited McMichael for brandishing a gun and let Arbery walk away because he didn’t steal anything. It’s ridiculous that two men can hold another at gun point for a “crime” they didn’t witness, regardless of their skin color.

You never wait patiently with somebody that is pointing a gun at you. We have had this training at work... YOUR RUN, then you fight!

You never ever ever let somebody hold you against your own will because they will most likely rape and kill you and cut you up in little pieces.

This. If you've had active shooter training, they tell you that if you can't run or hide, you fight. Someone points a gun at you at short range, you can't run (which is what Arbery did first) and you can't hide, so you fight. He was 100 percent justified in defending himself. You can't point a gun at someone and then claim self-defense when they don't just let you shoot them. These guys instigated the encounter and were the aggressors. He wasn't attacking them or anyone else. He tried to grab the gun away from someone who he probably thought was going to shoot him.

Please stop giving people bogus advice on tactics when you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not an active shooter situation, like not even close. Generally speaking, you comply when two guys are pointing long guns at you. The same thing goes for a robbery or if you just committed a crime and someone is attempting to detain you. When you try to disarm someone, you put them in a position where it's kill or he killed. This in no way places blame on the jogger, as he probably just reacted without thinking.

Not a runner, but a walker. White woman. There is NO EFFING WAY I am “complying” with three guys in two cars with guns if I have any other choice whatsoever.

You can choose to wait for the police, which they had already called, or you can fight them.

Pretty easy choice if you ask me, but you be you.

You want me to let 3 men abduct me and trust they called the police because they suspected I committed a crime when I know I had not.

You are insane and my LEO family would advise against letting anybody without a badge hold you at gun point ... unless you are into being raped and killed.

NP. It's amazing how the LE experts come out of the woodwork whenever a minority is shot by a white person. Every situation is different. Are you a 30 year old black man? Do you think they really wanted to rape him? Yes, you can chose to fight if you want. But in this case, that was a bad move. A move that resulted in his death.

This.

No LEO person would ever advise his son to behave the unfortunate way this young man did.

Some people have seen one too many action movies.