How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion is about how the kids feel? You all are making it about how you feel and justifying your choices by attacking those who do not have the same viewpoint as you. No one is talking about the impact on the kids. Sure, it may make academics easier. Easier is not always better. For the parent whose 8th grader struggled that makes sense if they got tutors and provided lots of support as things really start to ramp up. But, for a child doing well in school, with no academic issues or on the advanced track, how do they, not you feel about it? Do you stop and think about the other long term impacts? If a school, mainly privates don’t offer accelerated math, what if your kid needs it if they are older and more advanced or younger and more advanced? What if they don’t start algebra until 8th or 9th and your child wants it and can handle it younger? What about the opportunities after calculus and what does the school offer? That was what we faced looking at privates in middle school. For an average kid those things will not matter but for a smarter kid it may.

This is all about your feelings, ironically.

The only people attacking here are the crazed anti-redshirters Jeff had to ban.

Lady, you have been camped in this thread since its beginning and you are as fanatical about redshirting as some are about treating cutoffs as absolute. Redshirting has obvious advantages in the beginning and not-so-obvious drawbacks further down the line. This thread is about whether redshirted children ever regret the decision their parents made, and the answer is of course yes, some do feel set back, just as some feel it was a benefit. Unfortunately, nobody is psychic. OP's kid will probably benefit from it as long as the learning disabilities are managed. If people think redshirting is a substitute for managing other issues, yikes. I have seen that turn out badly.

I have not been here since the beginning. However, I did post some of the only objective academic data provided in this thread. Unlike you, I don’t rely on my feelings alone in these matters.

The data seems to argue in favor of school delay as being a potentially beneficial method of mitigation of ADHD symptoms. The study from Denmark as opposed to other countries with rigid cutoffs is compelling. For OP, who had a child with ADHD, delay seems like a reasonable option.

You posted one study with data 20 years ago from another country.

Back to the topic, how does your child feel about it? We know you will find a million reasons to justify your choice but the topic is how does your kid feel about it? I’ve talked to mine many times about it. They agree with my decision.

Why would you ask a young child continuously what they think about having started school 12+ months delayed?
Just shut up and don’t /do it, and hope for the best.

Maybe when they’re 20 they might have a viable opinion on it or when they’re huge and a freshman on varsity football or basketball team. But other than that you’ll never know what the pay off was.

Again, the topic is how does your child feel about redshirting?

Shall we all go ask every redshirted young child, tween and teen how they feel about starting K 12 months delayed?

Like those studies where you put your race, sex, and other reminders before you start the test..?…

Again, the topic is about how your child feels about it. Stop deflecting.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective - my DS is a late summer birthday and we did not redshirt him. He has always done well academically and we could tell when he was in preschool that he could handle a full day of kindergarten. He was ready. And he was tall for his age. So we didn 't redshirt. Well, now he's in high school, and it turns out he really likes sports, and he is the youngest and smallest on teams. We really do wish that we had redshirted him. Being the youngest can be socially awkward with friends too -- everyone gets licenses and hits physical milestones ahead of you in general. If you're even considering redshirting than I encourage you to just do it. Also, if you go the private school route, everyone with a summer birthday is held for the following year. Another thing I wish we'd realized. Fortunately, he's done absolutely fine academically and he's tall for his age.

I have no regrets not holding my child back. Their sport is by age so it does not matter what grade they are in and academics for us are the priority. Who cares if they get the license first. Mine got into advanced music and the sports team no issue as the youngest.

Yeah you’ve posted 27 times on this thread, *we know* your perspective.

No different from those pushing everyone to hold back their kids to make them better and stronger for sports.

No one is doing that.

Why are you so offended that some people made a different decision for their kids than you did? What impact does it make on you or your kid?

DP here. I have a child with an August birthday that started K on time. There are kids that redshirted and are a full year older than him. I do resent that they have an easier time with some of the academics and are better in sports because they are older and taller. My kid does pretty well especially considering his age, but I have to remind him that other kids are older, so he can’t always compare his abilities to theirs directly.

And there it is, the zero-sum blood sport approach to education. Not everyone approaches education and parenting as this vicious cage match.

Thank goodness those other families “got theirs” and redshirted their kids so those kids would be oldest and leaders in the class! Zero sum game indeed. Take what’s yours!

How does it affect your kid in any way that other kids are doing better in class because they've been redshirted?

You just come off as mean and spiteful. Would it make you happier if these kids were struggling?

That’s just it. A large tipping point mass of redshirting makes the other kids who are younger struggle. And then more redshirting and earlier redshirting happens (if parents are even aware how prevalent it is in certain places) and more curriculum speed. So on and so forth until differentiation and tracking starts in MS or HS.


If kids are struggling solely due to their age versus the class material & how it’s conducted, the School board, sept of Ed and schools need to change the curriculum and how they spend their time, or do more tracking.


Before kids just repeated a grade. Many did, even if bad in one subject. Didn’t know Latin well? Repeat 3rd grade. And the kid did just that. But that’s more pinpointed and less pervasive. And doesn’t affect the dynamic of the whole composition, the way rampant redshirting does.

Do you agree having over 20% of a grade already be 6 upon starting K is a critical mass? And what about the districts or schools where it’s 30%? 40%?

And don’t say oooh a bunch of kids have September bdays so it’s fine March-august are mainly redshirted. There are fall, winter, spring and summer bday kids who started on time.

I’m not the PP but my reading of the limited studies out there is that I’d like parents to have a greater range of time available to them, and that mixed-age classes are actually better overall.

I reject your entire premise, in other words, and I think parents have a good sense of when their kids are ready for school and should be trusted with that.

Ah yes, let’s all send kids to whatever grade we think they’re ready for whenever. Parents have a really good sense of their kids and the school. Yes.

Why not? The data on mixed age education is very strong, as is the ADHD data. There is not a lot of great evidence for rigid cutoffs in comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion is about how the kids feel? You all are making it about how you feel and justifying your choices by attacking those who do not have the same viewpoint as you. No one is talking about the impact on the kids. Sure, it may make academics easier. Easier is not always better. For the parent whose 8th grader struggled that makes sense if they got tutors and provided lots of support as things really start to ramp up. But, for a child doing well in school, with no academic issues or on the advanced track, how do they, not you feel about it? Do you stop and think about the other long term impacts? If a school, mainly privates don’t offer accelerated math, what if your kid needs it if they are older and more advanced or younger and more advanced? What if they don’t start algebra until 8th or 9th and your child wants it and can handle it younger? What about the opportunities after calculus and what does the school offer? That was what we faced looking at privates in middle school. For an average kid those things will not matter but for a smarter kid it may.

This is all about your feelings, ironically.

The only people attacking here are the crazed anti-redshirters Jeff had to ban.

Lady, you have been camped in this thread since its beginning and you are as fanatical about redshirting as some are about treating cutoffs as absolute. Redshirting has obvious advantages in the beginning and not-so-obvious drawbacks further down the line. This thread is about whether redshirted children ever regret the decision their parents made, and the answer is of course yes, some do feel set back, just as some feel it was a benefit. Unfortunately, nobody is psychic. OP's kid will probably benefit from it as long as the learning disabilities are managed. If people think redshirting is a substitute for managing other issues, yikes. I have seen that turn out badly.

I have not been here since the beginning. However, I did post some of the only objective academic data provided in this thread. Unlike you, I don’t rely on my feelings alone in these matters.

The data seems to argue in favor of school delay as being a potentially beneficial method of mitigation of ADHD symptoms. The study from Denmark as opposed to other countries with rigid cutoffs is compelling. For OP, who had a child with ADHD, delay seems like a reasonable option.

You posted one study with data 20 years ago from another country.

Back to the topic, how does your child feel about it? We know you will find a million reasons to justify your choice but the topic is how does your kid feel about it? I’ve talked to mine many times about it. They agree with my decision.

Why would you ask a young child continuously what they think about having started school 12+ months delayed?
Just shut up and don’t /do it, and hope for the best.

Maybe when they’re 20 they might have a viable opinion on it or when they’re huge and a freshman on varsity football or basketball team. But other than that you’ll never know what the pay off was.

Again, the topic is how does your child feel about redshirting?

Shall we all go ask every redshirted young child, tween and teen how they feel about starting K 12 months delayed?

Like those studies where you put your race, sex, and other reminders before you start the test..?…

Again, the topic is about how your child feels about it. Stop deflecting.

I’m not the PP but tonight I asked my now-senior what his redshirted friends think and he said he’ll ask them and report back. He considered the question something weird old people think about, lol. The kids have never talked about it. But he said he would ask.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion is about how the kids feel? You all are making it about how you feel and justifying your choices by attacking those who do not have the same viewpoint as you. No one is talking about the impact on the kids. Sure, it may make academics easier. Easier is not always better. For the parent whose 8th grader struggled that makes sense if they got tutors and provided lots of support as things really start to ramp up. But, for a child doing well in school, with no academic issues or on the advanced track, how do they, not you feel about it? Do you stop and think about the other long term impacts? If a school, mainly privates don’t offer accelerated math, what if your kid needs it if they are older and more advanced or younger and more advanced? What if they don’t start algebra until 8th or 9th and your child wants it and can handle it younger? What about the opportunities after calculus and what does the school offer? That was what we faced looking at privates in middle school. For an average kid those things will not matter but for a smarter kid it may.

This is all about your feelings, ironically.

The only people attacking here are the crazed anti-redshirters Jeff had to ban.

Lady, you have been camped in this thread since its beginning and you are as fanatical about redshirting as some are about treating cutoffs as absolute. Redshirting has obvious advantages in the beginning and not-so-obvious drawbacks further down the line. This thread is about whether redshirted children ever regret the decision their parents made, and the answer is of course yes, some do feel set back, just as some feel it was a benefit. Unfortunately, nobody is psychic. OP's kid will probably benefit from it as long as the learning disabilities are managed. If people think redshirting is a substitute for managing other issues, yikes. I have seen that turn out badly.

I have not been here since the beginning. However, I did post some of the only objective academic data provided in this thread. Unlike you, I don’t rely on my feelings alone in these matters.

The data seems to argue in favor of school delay as being a potentially beneficial method of mitigation of ADHD symptoms. The study from Denmark as opposed to other countries with rigid cutoffs is compelling. For OP, who had a child with ADHD, delay seems like a reasonable option.

You posted one study with data 20 years ago from another country.

Back to the topic, how does your child feel about it? We know you will find a million reasons to justify your choice but the topic is how does your kid feel about it? I’ve talked to mine many times about it. They agree with my decision.

Why would you ask a young child continuously what they think about having started school 12+ months delayed?
Just shut up and don’t /do it, and hope for the best.

Maybe when they’re 20 they might have a viable opinion on it or when they’re huge and a freshman on varsity football or basketball team. But other than that you’ll never know what the pay off was.

Again, the topic is how does your child feel about redshirting?

Shall we all go ask every redshirted young child, tween and teen how they feel about starting K 12 months delayed?

Like those studies where you put your race, sex, and other reminders before you start the test..?…

Again, the topic is about how your child feels about it. Stop deflecting.

I’m not the PP but tonight I asked my now-senior what his redshirted friends think and he said he’ll ask them and report back. He considered the question something weird old people think about, lol. The kids have never talked about it. But he said he would ask.

Why contaminate these young lads' brains with dysfunctional toxic DCUM concerns? They were blissfully unaware and now you will introduce the neevil into their thinking. Satan.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion is about how the kids feel? You all are making it about how you feel and justifying your choices by attacking those who do not have the same viewpoint as you. No one is talking about the impact on the kids. Sure, it may make academics easier. Easier is not always better. For the parent whose 8th grader struggled that makes sense if they got tutors and provided lots of support as things really start to ramp up. But, for a child doing well in school, with no academic issues or on the advanced track, how do they, not you feel about it? Do you stop and think about the other long term impacts? If a school, mainly privates don’t offer accelerated math, what if your kid needs it if they are older and more advanced or younger and more advanced? What if they don’t start algebra until 8th or 9th and your child wants it and can handle it younger? What about the opportunities after calculus and what does the school offer? That was what we faced looking at privates in middle school. For an average kid those things will not matter but for a smarter kid it may.

This is all about your feelings, ironically.

The only people attacking here are the crazed anti-redshirters Jeff had to ban.

Lady, you have been camped in this thread since its beginning and you are as fanatical about redshirting as some are about treating cutoffs as absolute. Redshirting has obvious advantages in the beginning and not-so-obvious drawbacks further down the line. This thread is about whether redshirted children ever regret the decision their parents made, and the answer is of course yes, some do feel set back, just as some feel it was a benefit. Unfortunately, nobody is psychic. OP's kid will probably benefit from it as long as the learning disabilities are managed. If people think redshirting is a substitute for managing other issues, yikes. I have seen that turn out badly.

I have not been here since the beginning. However, I did post some of the only objective academic data provided in this thread. Unlike you, I don’t rely on my feelings alone in these matters.

The data seems to argue in favor of school delay as being a potentially beneficial method of mitigation of ADHD symptoms. The study from Denmark as opposed to other countries with rigid cutoffs is compelling. For OP, who had a child with ADHD, delay seems like a reasonable option.

You posted one study with data 20 years ago from another country.

Back to the topic, how does your child feel about it? We know you will find a million reasons to justify your choice but the topic is how does your kid feel about it? I’ve talked to mine many times about it. They agree with my decision.

Why would you ask a young child continuously what they think about having started school 12+ months delayed?
Just shut up and don’t /do it, and hope for the best.

Maybe when they’re 20 they might have a viable opinion on it or when they’re huge and a freshman on varsity football or basketball team. But other than that you’ll never know what the pay off was.

Again, the topic is how does your child feel about redshirting?

Shall we all go ask every redshirted young child, tween and teen how they feel about starting K 12 months delayed?

Like those studies where you put your race, sex, and other reminders before you start the test..?…

Again, the topic is about how your child feels about it. Stop deflecting.

I’m not the PP but tonight I asked my now-senior what his redshirted friends think and he said he’ll ask them and report back. He considered the question something weird old people think about, lol. The kids have never talked about it. But he said he would ask.

So, you have no personal experience with it? Yes kids talk about ages.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion is about how the kids feel? You all are making it about how you feel and justifying your choices by attacking those who do not have the same viewpoint as you. No one is talking about the impact on the kids. Sure, it may make academics easier. Easier is not always better. For the parent whose 8th grader struggled that makes sense if they got tutors and provided lots of support as things really start to ramp up. But, for a child doing well in school, with no academic issues or on the advanced track, how do they, not you feel about it? Do you stop and think about the other long term impacts? If a school, mainly privates don’t offer accelerated math, what if your kid needs it if they are older and more advanced or younger and more advanced? What if they don’t start algebra until 8th or 9th and your child wants it and can handle it younger? What about the opportunities after calculus and what does the school offer? That was what we faced looking at privates in middle school. For an average kid those things will not matter but for a smarter kid it may.

This is all about your feelings, ironically.

The only people attacking here are the crazed anti-redshirters Jeff had to ban.

Lady, you have been camped in this thread since its beginning and you are as fanatical about redshirting as some are about treating cutoffs as absolute. Redshirting has obvious advantages in the beginning and not-so-obvious drawbacks further down the line. This thread is about whether redshirted children ever regret the decision their parents made, and the answer is of course yes, some do feel set back, just as some feel it was a benefit. Unfortunately, nobody is psychic. OP's kid will probably benefit from it as long as the learning disabilities are managed. If people think redshirting is a substitute for managing other issues, yikes. I have seen that turn out badly.

I have not been here since the beginning. However, I did post some of the only objective academic data provided in this thread. Unlike you, I don’t rely on my feelings alone in these matters.

The data seems to argue in favor of school delay as being a potentially beneficial method of mitigation of ADHD symptoms. The study from Denmark as opposed to other countries with rigid cutoffs is compelling. For OP, who had a child with ADHD, delay seems like a reasonable option.

You posted one study with data 20 years ago from another country.

Back to the topic, how does your child feel about it? We know you will find a million reasons to justify your choice but the topic is how does your kid feel about it? I’ve talked to mine many times about it. They agree with my decision.

Why would you ask a young child continuously what they think about having started school 12+ months delayed?
Just shut up and don’t /do it, and hope for the best.

Maybe when they’re 20 they might have a viable opinion on it or when they’re huge and a freshman on varsity football or basketball team. But other than that you’ll never know what the pay off was.

Again, the topic is how does your child feel about redshirting?

Shall we all go ask every redshirted young child, tween and teen how they feel about starting K 12 months delayed?

Like those studies where you put your race, sex, and other reminders before you start the test..?…

Again, the topic is about how your child feels about it. Stop deflecting.

I’m not the PP but tonight I asked my now-senior what his redshirted friends think and he said he’ll ask them and report back. He considered the question something weird old people think about, lol. The kids have never talked about it. But he said he would ask.

So, you have no personal experience with it? Yes kids talk about ages.

No matter how many times you spam this thread, it doesn’t make your imaginary world real.

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Anonymous wrote:The discussion is about how the kids feel? You all are making it about how you feel and justifying your choices by attacking those who do not have the same viewpoint as you. No one is talking about the impact on the kids. Sure, it may make academics easier. Easier is not always better. For the parent whose 8th grader struggled that makes sense if they got tutors and provided lots of support as things really start to ramp up. But, for a child doing well in school, with no academic issues or on the advanced track, how do they, not you feel about it? Do you stop and think about the other long term impacts? If a school, mainly privates don’t offer accelerated math, what if your kid needs it if they are older and more advanced or younger and more advanced? What if they don’t start algebra until 8th or 9th and your child wants it and can handle it younger? What about the opportunities after calculus and what does the school offer? That was what we faced looking at privates in middle school. For an average kid those things will not matter but for a smarter kid it may.

This is all about your feelings, ironically.

The only people attacking here are the crazed anti-redshirters Jeff had to ban.

Lady, you have been camped in this thread since its beginning and you are as fanatical about redshirting as some are about treating cutoffs as absolute. Redshirting has obvious advantages in the beginning and not-so-obvious drawbacks further down the line. This thread is about whether redshirted children ever regret the decision their parents made, and the answer is of course yes, some do feel set back, just as some feel it was a benefit. Unfortunately, nobody is psychic. OP's kid will probably benefit from it as long as the learning disabilities are managed. If people think redshirting is a substitute for managing other issues, yikes. I have seen that turn out badly.

I have not been here since the beginning. However, I did post some of the only objective academic data provided in this thread. Unlike you, I don’t rely on my feelings alone in these matters.

The data seems to argue in favor of school delay as being a potentially beneficial method of mitigation of ADHD symptoms. The study from Denmark as opposed to other countries with rigid cutoffs is compelling. For OP, who had a child with ADHD, delay seems like a reasonable option.

You posted one study with data 20 years ago from another country.

Back to the topic, how does your child feel about it? We know you will find a million reasons to justify your choice but the topic is how does your kid feel about it? I’ve talked to mine many times about it. They agree with my decision.

Why would you ask a young child continuously what they think about having started school 12+ months delayed?
Just shut up and don’t /do it, and hope for the best.

Maybe when they’re 20 they might have a viable opinion on it or when they’re huge and a freshman on varsity football or basketball team. But other than that you’ll never know what the pay off was.

Again, the topic is how does your child feel about redshirting?

Shall we all go ask every redshirted young child, tween and teen how they feel about starting K 12 months delayed?

Like those studies where you put your race, sex, and other reminders before you start the test..?…

Again, the topic is about how your child feels about it. Stop deflecting.

I’m not the PP but tonight I asked my now-senior what his redshirted friends think and he said he’ll ask them and report back. He considered the question something weird old people think about, lol. The kids have never talked about it. But he said he would ask.

So, you have no personal experience with it? Yes kids talk about ages.

They don't think "older" is bad. Many kids want to be older. They don't hear a higher number in age and think "Look at that geezer." I was one of the very youngest in my class and when I was in elementary, I thought it was cool to be older.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I don't know what is up with older kids, but in my child's first grade class (the first grade to start kindergarten after Covid), there are dozens of redshirted children, many of whom absolutely should not have been redshirted, but their parents didn't want them to have virtual K (understandable) and those children are TERRORS. Like multiple teachers at the school (my neighbors) have told me that this is by the worst first grade class ever. They've never seen classes with so many older, bored children (boys and girls) before, and that it's a nightmare. Just think about if your child is going to be bored and don't redshirt them if you just don't want them to the smallest kid in the class, that's an awful, selfish, mom-centered approach, and I will 100% judge anyone who does this.

This particular class year is definitely an outlier because so many people chose to redshirt to avoid virtual learning. (I would have done the same but my kids are older.)

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Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective - my DS is a late summer birthday and we did not redshirt him. He has always done well academically and we could tell when he was in preschool that he could handle a full day of kindergarten. He was ready. And he was tall for his age. So we didn 't redshirt. Well, now he's in high school, and it turns out he really likes sports, and he is the youngest and smallest on teams. We really do wish that we had redshirted him. Being the youngest can be socially awkward with friends too -- everyone gets licenses and hits physical milestones ahead of you in general. If you're even considering redshirting than I encourage you to just do it. Also, if you go the private school route, everyone with a summer birthday is held for the following year. Another thing I wish we'd realized. Fortunately, he's done absolutely fine academically and he's tall for his age.

I have no regrets not holding my child back. Their sport is by age so it does not matter what grade they are in and academics for us are the priority. Who cares if they get the license first. Mine got into advanced music and the sports team no issue as the youngest.

Yeah you’ve posted 27 times on this thread, *we know* your perspective.

No different from those pushing everyone to hold back their kids to make them better and stronger for sports.

No one is doing that.

Why are you so offended that some people made a different decision for their kids than you did? What impact does it make on you or your kid?

DP here. I have a child with an August birthday that started K on time. There are kids that redshirted and are a full year older than him. I do resent that they have an easier time with some of the academics and are better in sports because they are older and taller. My kid does pretty well especially considering his age, but I have to remind him that other kids are older, so he can’t always compare his abilities to theirs directly.

And there it is, the zero-sum blood sport approach to education. Not everyone approaches education and parenting as this vicious cage match.

Thank goodness those other families “got theirs” and redshirted their kids so those kids would be oldest and leaders in the class! Zero sum game indeed. Take what’s yours!

+ 1,000,000. The gaslighting on this thread is amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective - my DS is a late summer birthday and we did not redshirt him. He has always done well academically and we could tell when he was in preschool that he could handle a full day of kindergarten. He was ready. And he was tall for his age. So we didn 't redshirt. Well, now he's in high school, and it turns out he really likes sports, and he is the youngest and smallest on teams. We really do wish that we had redshirted him. Being the youngest can be socially awkward with friends too -- everyone gets licenses and hits physical milestones ahead of you in general. If you're even considering redshirting than I encourage you to just do it. Also, if you go the private school route, everyone with a summer birthday is held for the following year. Another thing I wish we'd realized. Fortunately, he's done absolutely fine academically and he's tall for his age.

I have no regrets not holding my child back. Their sport is by age so it does not matter what grade they are in and academics for us are the priority. Who cares if they get the license first. Mine got into advanced music and the sports team no issue as the youngest.

Yeah you’ve posted 27 times on this thread, *we know* your perspective.

No different from those pushing everyone to hold back their kids to make them better and stronger for sports.

No one is doing that.

Why are you so offended that some people made a different decision for their kids than you did? What impact does it make on you or your kid?

DP here. I have a child with an August birthday that started K on time. There are kids that redshirted and are a full year older than him. I do resent that they have an easier time with some of the academics and are better in sports because they are older and taller. My kid does pretty well especially considering his age, but I have to remind him that other kids are older, so he can’t always compare his abilities to theirs directly.

And there it is, the zero-sum blood sport approach to education. Not everyone approaches education and parenting as this vicious cage match.

Thank goodness those other families “got theirs” and redshirted their kids so those kids would be oldest and leaders in the class! Zero sum game indeed. Take what’s yours!

+ 1,000,000. The gaslighting on this thread is amazing.

But it won’t fix their adhd and all the other kids will make fun of them, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective - my DS is a late summer birthday and we did not redshirt him. He has always done well academically and we could tell when he was in preschool that he could handle a full day of kindergarten. He was ready. And he was tall for his age. So we didn 't redshirt. Well, now he's in high school, and it turns out he really likes sports, and he is the youngest and smallest on teams. We really do wish that we had redshirted him. Being the youngest can be socially awkward with friends too -- everyone gets licenses and hits physical milestones ahead of you in general. If you're even considering redshirting than I encourage you to just do it. Also, if you go the private school route, everyone with a summer birthday is held for the following year. Another thing I wish we'd realized. Fortunately, he's done absolutely fine academically and he's tall for his age.

I have no regrets not holding my child back. Their sport is by age so it does not matter what grade they are in and academics for us are the priority. Who cares if they get the license first. Mine got into advanced music and the sports team no issue as the youngest.

Yeah you’ve posted 27 times on this thread, *we know* your perspective.

No different from those pushing everyone to hold back their kids to make them better and stronger for sports.

No one is doing that.

Why are you so offended that some people made a different decision for their kids than you did? What impact does it make on you or your kid?

DP here. I have a child with an August birthday that started K on time. There are kids that redshirted and are a full year older than him. I do resent that they have an easier time with some of the academics and are better in sports because they are older and taller. My kid does pretty well especially considering his age, but I have to remind him that other kids are older, so he can’t always compare his abilities to theirs directly.

And there it is, the zero-sum blood sport approach to education. Not everyone approaches education and parenting as this vicious cage match.

Thank goodness those other families “got theirs” and redshirted their kids so those kids would be oldest and leaders in the class! Zero sum game indeed. Take what’s yours!

How does it affect your kid in any way that other kids are doing better in class because they've been redshirted?

You just come off as mean and spiteful. Would it make you happier if these kids were struggling?

That’s just it. A large tipping point mass of redshirting makes the other kids who are younger struggle. And then more redshirting and earlier redshirting happens (if parents are even aware how prevalent it is in certain places) and more curriculum speed. So on and so forth until differentiation and tracking starts in MS or HS.

Why would that be the case? Redshirted kids being better able to handle academics and the social interaction of school in no way makes it harder for your kid to do well. It's not a zero sum game or some competition.

The rest of your post makes no sense, because your basic premise is wrong.

The expectations for student maturity and ability are continually getting higher because more kids are starting at an older age. This might be unintentional by the teachers and schools. This makes it harder for children who are at average maturity for a 5 year old when they start school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective - my DS is a late summer birthday and we did not redshirt him. He has always done well academically and we could tell when he was in preschool that he could handle a full day of kindergarten. He was ready. And he was tall for his age. So we didn 't redshirt. Well, now he's in high school, and it turns out he really likes sports, and he is the youngest and smallest on teams. We really do wish that we had redshirted him. Being the youngest can be socially awkward with friends too -- everyone gets licenses and hits physical milestones ahead of you in general. If you're even considering redshirting than I encourage you to just do it. Also, if you go the private school route, everyone with a summer birthday is held for the following year. Another thing I wish we'd realized. Fortunately, he's done absolutely fine academically and he's tall for his age.

I have no regrets not holding my child back. Their sport is by age so it does not matter what grade they are in and academics for us are the priority. Who cares if they get the license first. Mine got into advanced music and the sports team no issue as the youngest.

Yeah you’ve posted 27 times on this thread, *we know* your perspective.

No different from those pushing everyone to hold back their kids to make them better and stronger for sports.

No one is doing that.

Why are you so offended that some people made a different decision for their kids than you did? What impact does it make on you or your kid?

DP here. I have a child with an August birthday that started K on time. There are kids that redshirted and are a full year older than him. I do resent that they have an easier time with some of the academics and are better in sports because they are older and taller. My kid does pretty well especially considering his age, but I have to remind him that other kids are older, so he can’t always compare his abilities to theirs directly.

And there it is, the zero-sum blood sport approach to education. Not everyone approaches education and parenting as this vicious cage match.

Thank goodness those other families “got theirs” and redshirted their kids so those kids would be oldest and leaders in the class! Zero sum game indeed. Take what’s yours!

How does it affect your kid in any way that other kids are doing better in class because they've been redshirted?

You just come off as mean and spiteful. Would it make you happier if these kids were struggling?

That’s just it. A large tipping point mass of redshirting makes the other kids who are younger struggle. And then more redshirting and earlier redshirting happens (if parents are even aware how prevalent it is in certain places) and more curriculum speed. So on and so forth until differentiation and tracking starts in MS or HS.

Why would that be the case? Redshirted kids being better able to handle academics and the social interaction of school in no way makes it harder for your kid to do well. It's not a zero sum game or some competition.

The rest of your post makes no sense, because your basic premise is wrong.

The expectations for student maturity and ability are continually getting higher because more kids are starting at an older age. This might be unintentional by the teachers and schools. This makes it harder for children who are at average maturity for a 5 year old when they start school.

It’s not unintentional. Why would you think that? Make kindergarten like it used to be. Half day, fun, recess, and not learning to read. Kindergarten changed, and parents reacted.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I don't know what is up with older kids, but in my child's first grade class (the first grade to start kindergarten after Covid), there are dozens of redshirted children, many of whom absolutely should not have been redshirted, but their parents didn't want them to have virtual K (understandable) and those children are TERRORS. Like multiple teachers at the school (my neighbors) have told me that this is by the worst first grade class ever. They've never seen classes with so many older, bored children (boys and girls) before, and that it's a nightmare. Just think about if your child is going to be bored and don't redshirt them if you just don't want them to the smallest kid in the class, that's an awful, selfish, mom-centered approach, and I will 100% judge anyone who does this.

This particular class year is definitely an outlier because so many people chose to redshirt to avoid virtual learning. (I would have done the same but my kids are older.)

She quite literally says that in the quote you are quoting

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I don't know what is up with older kids, but in my child's first grade class (the first grade to start kindergarten after Covid), there are dozens of redshirted children, many of whom absolutely should not have been redshirted, but their parents didn't want them to have virtual K (understandable) and those children are TERRORS. Like multiple teachers at the school (my neighbors) have told me that this is by the worst first grade class ever. They've never seen classes with so many older, bored children (boys and girls) before, and that it's a nightmare. Just think about if your child is going to be bored and don't redshirt them if you just don't want them to the smallest kid in the class, that's an awful, selfish, mom-centered approach, and I will 100% judge anyone who does this.

This particular class year is definitely an outlier because so many people chose to redshirt to avoid virtual learning. (I would have done the same but my kids are older.)

She quite literally says that in the quote you are quoting

I have a current 1st grader and 3rd grader. It's the 3rd grade class that is struggle. They missed half of kindergarten and 1st grade was a mixed bag of inperson and online. There are huge gaps for many of the kids. My DD is still struggling with reading. We read at home all the time but she's still struggling. I think she has finally caught up in math. The school doesn't even know what to do with them because they can't keep up with the usual curriculum and it had to be modified. The 1st graders are in much better shape.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I don't know what is up with older kids, but in my child's first grade class (the first grade to start kindergarten after Covid), there are dozens of redshirted children, many of whom absolutely should not have been redshirted, but their parents didn't want them to have virtual K (understandable) and those children are TERRORS. Like multiple teachers at the school (my neighbors) have told me that this is by the worst first grade class ever. They've never seen classes with so many older, bored children (boys and girls) before, and that it's a nightmare. Just think about if your child is going to be bored and don't redshirt them if you just don't want them to the smallest kid in the class, that's an awful, selfish, mom-centered approach, and I will 100% judge anyone who does this.

My DD just finished 2nd grade and her grade has a lot of redshirted kids. And a decent amount of the extreme redshirts (March-May) I’ve gotten to know the kids through volunteering in their class, and we’ve been invited to many of their birthday parties… and with some exceptions, the oldest kids are honestly the worst behaved in the class. Particularly the boys. I know this is purely anecdotal, but it’s been interesting to observe.