Court: TJ's New Admission Policy Does Not Discriminate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting US selection system!

I wonder how a selection system based on standard test score leads to disparate impact? Common sense tells me the problem is either in the standard test or the foundational education of certain minority group. The answer is obvious latter. US needs to solve social economic disparity between racial groups to truly solve this problem.

TJ is a STEM high school aiming to provide advanced science and engineering education, who will build rockets, airplanes, bridge, trains and buildings in the future. Removing test score requirement to TJ and college admission only makes next generation live in a less safe place, where buildings collapse and planes crash, which is already happening.

Do you have any understanding of what an American high school actually does? Do you think that TJ actually trains engineers?

TJ is a school for math, science and technology. They should change it to school for diversity equity for the smarter kids of each school not overall.


The mission of Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology is to provide students with a challenging learning environment focused on math, science, and technology, to inspire joy at the prospect of discovery, and to foster a culture of innovation based on ethical behavior and the shared interests of humanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

That's not how court decisions work. At best, it will jump start litigation. Realistically, the holding is going to be that race based admissions are illegal. TJ's process doesn't use race, so that holding would be meaningless in this case

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

That's not how court decisions work. At best, it will jump start litigation. Realistically, the holding is going to be that race based admissions are illegal. TJ's process doesn't use race, so that holding would be meaningless in this case

A lot will depend on the language used in the decision. It is correct that the Harvard and UNC cases are factually different from the TJ case and that the question at hand there is not especially relevant to the TJ admissions process. Lawyers on both sides know and understand that, as does the Coalition itself, I'm sure.

What the Coalition is undoubtedly hoping for is a broad interpretation in the opinion that discusses not only use of race directly, but use of race by proxy in admissions processes. That language - and the language in any concurring opinions - might afford a clue as to whether one more conservative justice will vote to grant certiorari, or if two more might be willing to overturn the Fourth Circuit ruling.

It's been some time since the Coalition got a win on...well, basically anything. I don't know that I'd bet on them right now as their brand is in tatters everywhere outside their echo chamber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

That's not how court decisions work. At best, it will jump start litigation. Realistically, the holding is going to be that race based admissions are illegal. TJ's process doesn't use race, so that holding would be meaningless in this case

A lot will depend on the language used in the decision. It is correct that the Harvard and UNC cases are factually different from the TJ case and that the question at hand there is not especially relevant to the TJ admissions process. Lawyers on both sides know and understand that, as does the Coalition itself, I'm sure.

What the Coalition is undoubtedly hoping for is a broad interpretation in the opinion that discusses not only use of race directly, but use of race by proxy in admissions processes. That language - and the language in any concurring opinions - might afford a clue as to whether one more conservative justice will vote to grant certiorari, or if two more might be willing to overturn the Fourth Circuit ruling.

It's been some time since the Coalition got a win on...well, basically anything. I don't know that I'd bet on them right now as their brand is in tatters everywhere outside their echo chamber.

The reason it's been forNever since the coalition got a win on is that their case is weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

That's not how court decisions work. At best, it will jump start litigation. Realistically, the holding is going to be that race based admissions are illegal. TJ's process doesn't use race, so that holding would be meaningless in this case

A lot will depend on the language used in the decision. It is correct that the Harvard and UNC cases are factually different from the TJ case and that the question at hand there is not especially relevant to the TJ admissions process. Lawyers on both sides know and understand that, as does the Coalition itself, I'm sure.

What the Coalition is undoubtedly hoping for is a broad interpretation in the opinion that discusses not only use of race directly, but use of race by proxy in admissions processes. That language - and the language in any concurring opinions - might afford a clue as to whether one more conservative justice will vote to grant certiorari, or if two more might be willing to overturn the Fourth Circuit ruling.

It's been some time since the Coalition got a win on...well, basically anything. I don't know that I'd bet on them right now as their brand is in tatters everywhere outside their echo chamber.

If they disallow geography, every nova parent hoping to get their kid into UVA or W&M should pop some champaign because the court will be totally screwing rural students. They won't do that because almost no one disputes the use of geography to grant equal access to public schools. If that's the argument that the coalition for TJ makes, they will be on an island.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

It will have 0 impact on TJ's race-blind selection process.


That's not how court decisions work. At best, it will jump start litigation. Realistically, the holding is going to be that race based admissions are illegal. TJ's process doesn't use race, so that holding would be meaningless in this case

A lot will depend on the language used in the decision. It is correct that the Harvard and UNC cases are factually different from the TJ case and that the question at hand there is not especially relevant to the TJ admissions process. Lawyers on both sides know and understand that, as does the Coalition itself, I'm sure.

What the Coalition is undoubtedly hoping for is a broad interpretation in the opinion that discusses not only use of race directly, but use of race by proxy in admissions processes. That language - and the language in any concurring opinions - might afford a clue as to whether one more conservative justice will vote to grant certiorari, or if two more might be willing to overturn the Fourth Circuit ruling.

It's been some time since the Coalition got a win on...well, basically anything. I don't know that I'd bet on them right now as their brand is in tatters everywhere outside their echo chamber.

If they disallow geography, every nova parent hoping to get their kid into UVA or W&M should pop some champaign because the court will be totally screwing rural students. They won't do that because almost no one disputes the use of geography to grant equal access to public schools. If that's the argument that the coalition for TJ makes, they will be on an island.

[Anonymous]

The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

[Anonymous]

If they disallow geography, every nova parent hoping to get their kid into UVA or W&M should pop some champaign because the court will be totally screwing rural students. They won't do that because almost no one disputes the use of geography to grant equal access to public schools. If that's the argument that the coalition for TJ makes, they will be on an island.

I wish people learn how to spell before they post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

[Anonymous]

I mean if you want to be technical about it, young scholars are authorized one less honors class then regular applicants and young scholars has a purely racial component to its make up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh boy, this is really going to piss off all the Annandale Asians.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/thomas-jefferson-admissions-policy-upheld/

The board had no choice but to rethink the admission criteria since it was gamed by people buying the test answers. They had to do something.

Further, the claims of discrimination by a race-blind process that admits mostly Asians seem unhinged.

Yeah they will really be pist, when some of their other methods of gaming the system become exposed, and even less Asians are admitted.

Just wait couple of weeks until the SCOTUS' decision on AA comes out and demolishes the new TJ admissions system - read them and weep!

That's not how court decisions work. At best, it will jump start litigation. Realistically, the holding is going to be that race based admissions are illegal. TJ's process doesn't use race, so that holding would be meaningless in this case

A lot will depend on the language used in the decision. It is correct that the Harvard and UNC cases are factually different from the TJ case and that the question at hand there is not especially relevant to the TJ admissions process. Lawyers on both sides know and understand that, as does the Coalition itself, I'm sure.

What the Coalition is undoubtedly hoping for is a broad interpretation in the opinion that discusses not only use of race directly, but use of race by proxy in admissions processes. That language - and the language in any concurring opinions - might afford a clue as to whether one more conservative justice will vote to grant certiorari, or if two more might be willing to overturn the Fourth Circuit ruling.

It's been some time since the Coalition got a win on...well, basically anything. I don't know that I'd bet on them right now as their brand is in tatters everywhere outside their echo chamber.

If they disallow geography, every nova parent hoping to get their kid into UVA or W&M should pop some champaign because the court will be totally screwing rural students. They won't do that because almost no one disputes the use of geography to grant equal access to public schools. If that's the argument that the coalition for TJ makes, they will be on an island.

The use of geography as a proxy for race has already been considered illegal/unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. This didn't come up in a case against LCPS even though they have a maximum quota per school. LCPS avoided this because when they discussed changes they put up a slide that said 'Geography is not being used as a proxy for race.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

FCPS think they have a workaround to accept races by pulling from school with majority urms, it doesn't take a TJ grad to figure it out they are discriminating by race by hiding within the school demographics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SCOTUS case will have no impact on TJ's race-blind process. I think it selects mostly Asian students anyway.

exactly.

TJ admissions is race blind. Why cant people just accept the obvious???

FCPS think they have a workaround to accept races by pulling from school with majority urms, it doesn't take a TJ grad to figure it out they are discriminating by race by hiding within the school demographics

Oh well, I guess that’s just the way it is and we will have to get over it.