Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

Does it at least have a sign: "Madonna of the Rocks (Leonardo's Version)"?

Don't get me started on those "Old Masters" who just painted portraits of rich people and Bible scenes.

Music master and old masters within the context of painting are two totally different things. You swift fans can't help but demonstrate how uncultured you are.

(You’re being trolled and apparently do not know).

If 'you're being trolled'is the new way to say 'I'm ignorant', sure, whyy not?!.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

Does it at least have a sign: "Madonna of the Rocks (Leonardo's Version)"?

Don't get me started on those "Old Masters" who just painted portraits of rich people and Bible scenes.

Music master and old masters within the context of painting are two totally different things. You swift fans can't help but demonstrate how uncultured you are.

(You’re being trolled and apparently do not know).

If 'you're being trolled'is the new way to say 'I'm ignorant', sure, whyy not?!.

No one knows who you are here. You could have gone with a graceful "Whoops, I totally missed the joke," but instead you doubled down on your belief that you're the smartest person here. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

Does it at least have a sign: "Madonna of the Rocks (Leonardo's Version)"?

Don't get me started on those "Old Masters" who just painted portraits of rich people and Bible scenes.

Music master and old masters within the context of painting are two totally different things. You swift fans can't help but demonstrate how uncultured you are.

(You’re being trolled and apparently do not know).

If 'you're being trolled'is the new way to say 'I'm ignorant', sure, whyy not?!.

No one knows who you are here. You could have gone with a graceful "Whoops, I totally missed the joke," but instead you doubled down on your belief that you're the smartest person here. Why?

Given what i've read from swift fans, i might as well be the smartest person here.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

iHeartRadio only plays the re-records. So they are not obliged to play the original.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

iHeartRadio only plays the re-records. So they are not obliged to play the original.

Looks like Spotify has the re-recorded Red album.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

iHeartRadio only plays the re-records. So they are not obliged to play the original.

Looks like Spotify has the re-recorded Red album.

I use Pandora and they also have some re-recorded stuff of hers.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

I haven't posted in this thread before or even read most of it but this is a bizarre take. Swift's remaking all her old albums so that her fans won't buy them from Scooter Braun is masterful jujitzu imho and certainly counts as outflanking/outsmarting Braun. He wanted to buy those masters to make a boatload of money off Swift and now he won't (because her fans will buy them from Swift not Braun) and a lot of her fans hate him.

I'm not sure about the victimhood and Kanye stuff etc but you saying Braun didn't get COMPLETELY taken down by her shows a certain bias on your part.

As a woman, I also have to say I loved Swift's move here. She got outbid, so she thought out the problem and found her own solution. EXCELLENT. Nice play. Set fire to the patriarchy! That was a great move.

*sigh* the lies we tell ourselves. If scott braun calls to give her the original, she'll drop whatever she's doing and run to go get it . Radios ,streaming services and any entity are legally obliged to play the original. Like most swift fans , you're embarssingly ignorant and you think repeating whatever she feeds you makes you clever . Intelllectual property laws govern how these things are handled not your fan girl-ism.

Doesn't she get to cut them out of licensing any of her music for advertising or movies though, since she maintained the synch rights? So now if she rerecords she will also have the recording rights to the new music, and can singlehandedly sign off on any of that music being used anywhere in movies or shows or advertising etc., whereas the owner of the old music can't do that and Swift could just veto any of those requests, I think.

The only area where she has leverage is the synching rights. However synching only represents only 2.5 % of total music revenues. If you want to have a better idea , read the article below .
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/why-taylor-swift-scooter-braun-shamrock-1091742/

And if you read the article, you'll see a lot of scrambling to show how, basically, people *might* pick the originals over the "Taylor's version"s of songs. But that argument ignores the loyalty of Swifites: they don't want to first version of the music if it's not the Taylor-approved version.

Ok, Molly.

Looks like she's been successful with her re-recordings, despite the gloomy outlook of that terribly outdated 2 year old article.

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