Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??

Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :

1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle

What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .

Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.

Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl

Signed,
A woman

Your victim blaming is vile.

Is there really no responsibility of ones fiancé to not put you in a dangerous situation or keep your safe? He also took her car leaving her now way out. Why didn't he take responsibility for himself and fly his ass home?

By your theory you should not expect your husband to keep you safe, ensuring you have shelter, food and money, correct? A marriage certificate doesn't grant you any more rights as a human than Gabby deserves. What if both your parents die, do you deserve less than someone with parents because no other adult human has to care about your wellbeing? I am sure you dont expect your babysitter, teacher or doctor to keep your children safe and make decisions in their best interest right?

DP. Victim blaming?

How do you even know she’s a victim??

For all you know, she left on her own and is living it up someplace.

You don’t know. Anything.

But that didn’t stop you from going off emotionally on a stranger and calling them “vile.”

DP. I watched the tape too and saw a girl totally spun up and scared and a guy that was cool as a cucumber. To me that tells a vastly different narrative than the one you put forth. So people can have watched the video and come to a very different conclusion, especially if they know anything about how abused women behave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??

Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :

1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle

You know this as her parents and what do you do ? Nothing - it seems - No, come home NOW Gabby - no ??? Get to the nearest airport and we will buy you a plane ticket home - right now Gabby

Instead, he Dad is paying for meals to be delivered to her while she lives in the van - OK

What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .

Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.

Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl

Signed,
A woman

Well thought-out and completely rational post.

Sorry that some people here flipped out on you and posted hysterical attacks on you.

I believe we agree he is unlikely to be convicted of causing her death on the scant evidence known at present.

If he had an agreement - why would he refuse to tell her parents where he last saw her knowing they’re searching? Why not assist the police who are also looking for her? If he didn’t do anything wrong why did he not ever report her missing even after knowing no one could get in touch with her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brian is not Gabby’s husband and they are both adults who legally are responsible for themselves

It is documented by affidavit to the Moab police that Gabby assaulted Brian - and there are photos of his injuries

So, who is victim blaming here ???

Both of these people are unstable and one seems to have parents who directed his behavior and got him a good lawyer

The other set of parents - despite being called by their daughter while she was in police custody- and being told she could have been charged with battery - did nothing - did not buy her a ticket home , did not fly out to Utah to get her , did not even report her missing for 10 days after last hearing from her , BUT

PP says THIS is all her HS BF’s fault

I don’t think so ….there is a LOT of instability in this young woman’s life . She was even living with Brian’s parents . Where are her parents in this ?? Aside from pushing blame on 23 year old Brian, who was btw assaulted by their daughter

Young girls with bad/absent parental figures are even more likely to find themselves in abusive situations where they are dependent on the abuser and cannot leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??

Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :

1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle

What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .

Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.

Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl

Signed,
A woman

Your victim blaming is vile.

Is there really no responsibility of ones fiancé to not put you in a dangerous situation or keep your safe? He also took her car leaving her now way out. Why didn't he take responsibility for himself and fly his ass home?

By your theory you should not expect your husband to keep you safe, ensuring you have shelter, food and money, correct? A marriage certificate doesn't grant you any more rights as a human than Gabby deserves. What if both your parents die, do you deserve less than someone with parents because no other adult human has to care about your wellbeing? I am sure you dont expect your babysitter, teacher or doctor to keep your children safe and make decisions in their best interest right?

DP. Victim blaming?

How do you even know she’s a victim??

For all you know, she left on her own and is living it up someplace.

You don’t know. Anything.

But that didn’t stop you from going off emotionally on a stranger and calling them “vile.”

DP. I watched the tape too and saw a girl totally spun up and scared and a guy that was cool as a cucumber. To me that tells a vastly different narrative than the one you put forth. So people can have watched the video and come to a very different conclusion, especially if they know anything about how abused women behave.

As a victim of an abusive man/marriage, thank you so much for saying this.

[Anonymous]

I’d just like to thank the “Brian is the victim” poster for their distinctive formatting and punctuation. Very helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brian is not Gabby’s husband and they are both adults who legally are responsible for themselves

It is documented by affidavit to the Moab police that Gabby assaulted Brian - and there are photos of his injuries

So, who is victim blaming here ???

Both of these people are unstable and one seems to have parents who directed his behavior and got him a good lawyer

The other set of parents - despite being called by their daughter while she was in police custody- and being told she could have been charged with battery - did nothing - did not buy her a ticket home , did not fly out to Utah to get her , did not even report her missing for 10 days after last hearing from her , BUT

PP says THIS is all her HS BF’s fault

I don’t think so ….there is a LOT of instability in this young woman’s life . She was even living with Brian’s parents . Where are her parents in this ?? Aside from pushing blame on 23 year old Brian, who was btw assaulted by their daughter

Brian’s house is now constantly surrounded by angry “protesters.”

[Anonymous]

i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thread but am trying to follow the story, which is fascinating. Here's my Q - has there been any evidence that she was seen after he left for FL on the 23rd? I'm not saying the guy is innocent but isn't it POSSIBLE something happened to her while he was gone (23rd-27th) and he either couldn't find her or found her dead at the hotel or something and just panicked and left? (although I guess there would then be a body...)

Yes. He was gone earlier than the 23-27th though. I believe he returned on the 23rd. Phone contact and they checked out of a hotel (24th) together which surveillance footage could probably substantiate. Don’t know if investigators have definitively stated they have the footage from that, but there are at least some witness statements that they checked out together and I would say that’s pretty confirmed at this point. That’s one of the last confirmed sightings, although some other park goers think they spotted the van (but not who was inside it) on the 25th in Grand Teton. On the 25th, Gabby’s family also had phone contact with her (not just text) and she told them she was in Grand Teton (WY). After that, they only receive texts. Family and friends were under the impression they were headed to Yellowstone (WY/ID/MT borders area). On the 30th, her phone sent a text saying she had no service in Yosemite (CA).

I don't think this is the big clue everyone is claiming it to be. You can see how someone who is thinking about national parks might accidentally write Yosemite instead of Yellowstone. I can totally see myself doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand LEGALLY why he is not talking to police. But if he is innocent, and he left Gabby when she was ALIVE, the fastest way to end this ordeal is to say "oh I left her at the Motel 6 on Rt xyz on August 28th. That's the last time I saw her".

Morally and ethically, this is what an innocent person would do when they arrived in FL and her parents texted him to ask "Hey where's Gabby? We haven't heard from her".

Legally, silence makes sense. Morally and ethically, it's damning. If she IS alive, he is the best person to know where she is to find her. He's not worried about that because he killed her so NOT finding her is to his advantage.

Yep. The lack of urgency tells you everything you need to know. He knows she’s dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting a different viewpoint and wondering if any of the PP’s on this thread have viewed the police interview with the couple when Gabby was reported to the police for assaulting Brian in Moab ??

Because, maybe if more people watched that tape, they’d take a more neutral approach. Having watched the full one hour police bodycam interview of both Gabby & Brian I have a few questions :

1) Gabby was nearly arrested for assault of Brian - there was a witness who called the police and that is why the police pulled the couple over) in July - towards the end of that tape, Gabby calls her parents - so - where are the parents in this for the next 6 weeks ??? Think about it everyone: you , as the parent of a 22 year old - have just been called and notified that your daughter has been pulled over by the police and almost charged with battery - and given a court date - had the cop not changed his mind - you know she is unemployed, is living in a van ( homeless) and has no purpose other than trying to gain fame and influence through writing a “ blog” about how she and her bf are ,” having a great adventure exploring the west “ - except it’s obvious that is all FAKE - they are 2 unstable young people, without jobs and violence has broken out in their relationship in which they are holed up together in basically - living out of a vehicle

You know this as her parents and what do you do ? Nothing - it seems - No, come home NOW Gabby - no ??? Get to the nearest airport and we will buy you a plane ticket home - right now Gabby

Instead, he Dad is paying for meals to be delivered to her while she lives in the van - OK

What is Brian’s obligation to her vs to himself ? He is not her husband or her father and he is same age as her . He is free to leave her and just go home . That is not a crime . He is not supervising her as an adult over a minor ? She had attacked him previously and - had the Utah cops charged her as they could have, Gabby would have had to show up in court in Utah in August .

Maybe she assaulted him again ? Maybe she is unstable and ran away from him . Maybe she hitched a ride with someone else afterwards.

Granted, he should have left on his own if the van was registered to her, but in the police video Gabby says that she doesn’t really ever drive the van so maybe - you all don’t know this - maybe they had an agreement that he go home in the Van . For all you know , maybe all this drama is caused by this girl

Signed,
A woman

Well thought-out and completely rational post.

Sorry that some people here flipped out on you and posted hysterical attacks on you.

I believe we agree he is unlikely to be convicted of causing her death on the scant evidence known at present.

If he had an agreement - why would he refuse to tell her parents where he last saw her knowing they’re searching? Why not assist the police who are also looking for her? If he didn’t do anything wrong why did he not ever report her missing even after knowing no one could get in touch with her?

Ahaha the neighbors brought out a little golf cart and are now picketing his parents house. I hope sheltering their precious little murderer was worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?

Someone will come along and tell you that the van was not reported stolen, so it’s not a crime. That in the police video, he was the driver and she was okay with that, so it makes sense that he would have her car.

To the rest of us using common sense, it’s a major red flag for him to be in possession of her vehicle back in Florida, with her having gone missing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?

She loaned it to him, for all we know.

You will need a new statement from her to even arrest him for auto theft (and she isn’t making statements at the moment).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?

Because he was the primary driver of the vehicle, he spent time repairing the engine and building the living area, very likely spent money on materials to convert the van to a living space, and she even calls it “our van” in multiple videos.

Just because she’s the only name on the title doesn’t give the police enough probably cause to arrest him for “theft.” There’s an abundance of evidence that the vehicle was considered shared property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i'm coming to this thread very late and not terribly knowledgeable, so I'm sure this has been covered but if the van was hers and he was found in possession of it, shouldn't/couldn't he have been arrested for auto theft and held that way?

Someone will come along and tell you that the van was not reported stolen, so it’s not a crime. That in the police video, he was the driver and she was okay with that, so it makes sense that he would have her car.

To the rest of us using common sense, it’s a major red flag for him to be in possession of her vehicle back in Florida, with her having gone missing.

Glad we have a rational, impartial legal system in place, instead of relying on emotions and misguided “common sense” of people like you.

It was once “common sense” to burn women as witches, based on perceived “red flags.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand LEGALLY why he is not talking to police. But if he is innocent, and he left Gabby when she was ALIVE, the fastest way to end this ordeal is to say "oh I left her at the Motel 6 on Rt xyz on August 28th. That's the last time I saw her".

Morally and ethically, this is what an innocent person would do when they arrived in FL and her parents texted him to ask "Hey where's Gabby? We haven't heard from her".

Legally, silence makes sense. Morally and ethically, it's damning. If she IS alive, he is the best person to know where she is to find her. He's not worried about that because he killed her so NOT finding her is to his advantage.

Yep. The lack of urgency tells you everything you need to know. He knows she’s dead.

I don't disagree with this but I also don't necessarily think it means he murdered her.