Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

Clubs will do what top players and their parents want because this is what brings in other players and ultimately more money.

Top players and their parents don't want grade older kids playing down on their teams and will change clubs to get what they want.

You just want a loophole for some kids to play up.

Just reality that you seem unwilling to face

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

It is competitive soccer, everything is earned. If that older grade kid knocks your daughter of the team, your girl has to play better. Getting mad at a kid for being better than your girl says a lot about you. Is this your motivation for pushing for grade year? To protect your daughter from getting cut?

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

Clubs will do what top players and their parents want because this is what brings in other players and ultimately more money.

Top players and their parents don't want grade older kids playing down on their teams and will change clubs to get what they want.

This is small club mentality. Top clubs don't get pushed around by a few mouthy parents otherwise they wouldn't be in business long. Kids are replaceable. Complaining parents are cut along with their kids asap.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

5% of players before played misaligned, likely because it was their best option at the time. Just because you never noticed doesn't mean it never happened or was wrong somehow.

Its called competitive soccer not everyone gets a prize soccer. Maybe this type of thing happened on b and c teams. I dont know.

Exactly, you don't know.

If your end goal is to play on B or C team Aug birthdays might as well play on the team thats their grade. At least play on a team with kids in your classes at school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

Clubs will do what top players and their parents want because this is what brings in other players and ultimately more money.

Top players and their parents don't want grade older kids playing down on their teams and will change clubs to get what they want.

You just want a loophole for some kids to play up.

Just reality that you seem unwilling to face

You don't accept reality ... that it's shades of gray, that there's no one-size fits all solution. The youth system at its heart is individual. Clubs/teams don't get promoted/relgated, kids do. Sometimes the best promotion is based on their age.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

Clubs will do what top players and their parents want because this is what brings in other players and ultimately more money.

Top players and their parents don't want grade older kids playing down on their teams and will change clubs to get what they want.

This is small club mentality. Top clubs don't get pushed around by a few mouthy parents otherwise they wouldn't be in business long. Kids are replaceable. Complaining parents are cut along with their kids asap.

Hahaha you have no clue

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team. [/quote]It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.[/quote]
I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.[/quote]Only bioband looks to play down. Everybody else is sent to the tryout field based on birthdays. You don't ask the volunteer at the table for special treatment. You just get in line and don't be a squeaky wheel and everything works out great.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

Does even a shade of reality ever hit your brain?

Top teams will get more opportunities than bottom of the barrel teams. Its just how things work in life. Complain about it all you want. Reread the rulebook a thousand times. It wont matter.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

Does even a shade of reality ever hit your brain?

Top teams will get more opportunities than bottom of the barrel teams. Its just how things work in life. Complain about it all you want. Reread the rulebook a thousand times. It wont matter.

I'm not complaining at all. I'm just saying the club's access to a higher-level league helped and the competition likely helped the players improve and develop. It's funny. How US Soccer picks Talent ID. They look for talent that fits the 12-month BY window, regardless, just like college coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.