Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

[Anonymous]

On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

Playing on age, being the star and paying $6k for IDs is much smarter than playing up, blending in and not getting noticed.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

Playing on age, being the star and paying $6k for IDs is much smarter than playing up, blending in and not getting noticed.

You're not going to be a star just by playing down a level. You should know better than anyone else losers dont stop being losers just because they move houses or buy a new car.

Winners will win playing with their grade.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

People attend private schools when public schools fail them.

Or when Aug birthday patents fail their kid by playing them down when young in seach of plastic trophies. Screwing them over when they get older and what to play in college.

Screwing over ran August kid is forcing them to play up on age when they aren't one of the best kids and then watching them quit and take up video games and get out of shape and overweight. That would be tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

I guess my kid wasn't good enough and needed to do more, because it's what happens on the field, not grade that should make the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

Clubs will do what top players and their parents want because this is what brings in other players and ultimately more money.

Top players and their parents don't want grade older kids playing down on their teams and will change clubs to get what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

5% of players before played misaligned, likely because it was their best option at the time. Just because you never noticed doesn't mean it never happened or was wrong somehow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

By not addressing your motivation to stick it to August kids by forcing them to play up it makes it very clear that you need it. As a parent, I am not pissed off by kids playing by the rules, on age. I would be pissed at clubs enforcing unwritten rules randomly. But clubs are trying to get as many kids to play on age as they can do they aren't buying what you are selling.

Clubs will do what top players and their parents want because this is what brings in other players and ultimately more money.

Top players and their parents don't want grade older kids playing down on their teams and will change clubs to get what they want.

You just want a loophole for some kids to play up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

5% of players before played misaligned, likely because it was their best option at the time. Just because you never noticed doesn't mean it never happened or was wrong somehow.

Its called competitive soccer not everyone gets a prize soccer. Maybe this type of thing happened on b and c teams. I dont know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

That's because they don't "look" to play on grade, they look to get on the best team they can.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

5% of players before played misaligned, likely because it was their best option at the time. Just because you never noticed doesn't mean it never happened or was wrong somehow.

Its called competitive soccer not everyone gets a prize soccer. Maybe this type of thing happened on b and c teams. I dont know.

Exactly, you don't know.