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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

Just like your 6k soccer scholarship to a 90k private college. If you want to make things more difficult you can. Also if you want to make things less difficult you can. In the end playing down or a 5k envelope just cheats someone else out of an opportunity and most likely you wont be able to capitalize on the opportunity because you're not properly prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

Hope they're good enough to play up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

Just like your 6k soccer scholarship to a 90k private college. If you want to make things more difficult you can. Also if you want to make things less difficult you can. In the end playing down or a 5k envelope just cheats someone else out of an opportunity and most likely you wont be able to capitalize on the opportunity because you're not properly prepared.

You're the one who's pushing for this world. Why not fix it? Instead you just want people to conform to your ideal.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

Just like your 6k soccer scholarship to a 90k private college. If you want to make things more difficult you can. Also if you want to make things less difficult you can. In the end playing down or a 5k envelope just cheats someone else out of an opportunity and most likely you wont be able to capitalize on the opportunity because you're not properly prepared.

Seems like in your world, tho, the right donation of a certain college is all that's needed.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

5% for a month or 2 of players isn't small at all. It's how many players were misaligned last time.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

The estimate was about 1 player per team was misaligned.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

Just like your 6k soccer scholarship to a 90k private college. If you want to make things more difficult you can. Also if you want to make things less difficult you can. In the end playing down or a 5k envelope just cheats someone else out of an opportunity and most likely you wont be able to capitalize on the opportunity because you're not properly prepared.

Seems like in your world, tho, the right donation of a certain college is all that's needed.

Its not just my world. Happens all the time. The cost goes up the less talented your kid is. If you want a freeride Aug birthdays will need to play with their grade to get noticed by college coaches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

The estimate was about 1 player per team was misaligned.

Not what I saw. My guess is whoever wrote that article you've decided to hang your hat on played on a sucky team and at a sucky club.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

What does grade have to do with travel soccer?
Maybe those players parents should teach them to stop worrying about what others think and focus on their game

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

Just like your 6k soccer scholarship to a 90k private college. If you want to make things more difficult you can. Also if you want to make things less difficult you can. In the end playing down or a 5k envelope just cheats someone else out of an opportunity and most likely you wont be able to capitalize on the opportunity because you're not properly prepared.

Seems like in your world, tho, the right donation of a certain college is all that's needed.

Its not just my world. Happens all the time. The cost goes up the less talented your kid is. If you want a freeride Aug birthdays will need to play with their grade to get noticed by college coaches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

You're showing how off base you are to try to link these together.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

The estimate was about 1 player per team was misaligned.

Not what I saw. My guess is whoever wrote that article you've decided to hang your hat on played on a sucky team and at a sucky club.

LMAO. That article was the one you linked to like 50 times earlier in the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

I can say with confidence that they were there and you didn't notice. Video from 2016 mentioned a bunch of pages back referenced this group specifically. Nobody knows kids grades in youth soccer, they don't get reported to clubs.