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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

“Here’s an opinion” is what I believe you meant to say.

If it as strong as a fact as you say it is and I was educated improperly on facts vs opinions, I work for the State of Virginia. We can wager your future pension vs an initial powerball winnings.

This should be a no brainer for you Mr. or Ms. Fact. Start a random email address to begin the engagement to set it up. I’m really serious.

We can publicize it on the news. The sales proceeds on the commercials during the segment will go to Virginia Youth Soccer.

Ready to test your fact?

Bla bla bla. You're just going to find an example where an Aug birthday playing down got a 6k soccer scholorship to a 90k per year private school. Yea you really "won" on that one.

Freerides arent going to players playing down.

Oh god, a state employee. No wonder you can sit on this thread all day commenting.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's not a fact. It is wishcasting to protect your girl. A fact would be college coaches telling clubs that they don't care about the age of recruits, only that they are eligible for college which actually happened and is not baseless speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:One data point: A Top ECNL boy club. One late boomer Aug kid on 8th grade, having little time playing time on the 2012 team is asked by the head coach to play on the 2013 team (Same coach) starting from July. And parents pretty happy about it

This makes no sense.

An Aug 2012 will be playing up a year right now in BY. When BY changes to SY depending on when the school district starts they will either be rostered on a 2013 team thats their grade in school OR they would be rostered on a 2014 team a grade down. In the second situation Aug birthdays play up a year so they're playing on the 2013 team thats their grade in school.

What you're trying to make sound negative is whats supposed to happen switching from BY to SY.

The way I read it is the player is Aug 2012, been playing BY 2012. Now they have a choice to play with the current 2013s, which next year will be a mix of late 2012s and early 2013s. The Aug player will get more playing time now because they will be one of the oldest.

Maybe, it's probably fair to assume that a player used to playing up will do well if changed to playing on a team thats their grade in school. But you never know.

When it comes to college recruiting it will be much easier to get noticed playing on a team thats your grade in school. This goes both ways (playing up and down) although playing up can be beneficial if marketed correctly. What most people dont understand is that theres a rhythm with recruiting and college coaches. 90% of looking at/for players occurs Sophmore year. If you're misaligned either way college coaches tend to overlook you. Sure you can reach out to XYZ coach or depend on promotion from your club. But you're not in alignment with college coach processes and procedures which just makes things harder.

Here is an example, play on age, perform well, get motivated, go to Id sessions, contact college coaches, go to more ID sessions, get good grades, get an offer. Age group doesn't matter, being the best player you can be matters. No such thing as " harder" or easier recruiting. They take foreign players and transfers.

Stamp your feet and cry all you want but Aug birthdays playing down a grade is a serious challenge with college recruiting.

It's a logistical challenge, but it remains to be seen how "serious" it is. You definitely are in the doom and gloom camp for those players.

Theres 2 factors you can count on.

1. College coaches will have a lot of players to choose from
2. College coaches have limited time to review players

Anything odd or non standard (aug birthdays playing down a grade) adds an unknown into the equation. If theres 10 equivalent options that dont have that unknown this is who they'll pick.

Hence, a potential logistical challenge. BUT coaches deal with all sorts of these uneven situations now since BY teams are basically 2 grades as others have noted with transfers, international students, etc. Heck, coaches still go to HS games to watch potential recruits, fields full of players from different grades. And coaches are less likely to be concerned if there watching these players at a top level club.

At the end of the day, the player needs to what's in their best interest. Playing up to play on grade might mean bench time OR playing on a B team that draws little interest from scouts vs. playing on an A team where you would get seen and perhaps stand out as an older, more experienced player (especially during this transition). Still, these players shouldn't take anything for granted and talk to their coaches and colleges they are interested in to find out what's the best path.

Nobody believes the nonsense you're selling.

Unfortunately anyone that listens to you about playing down will regret it when their kid gets to recruitment age.

Biobanding, aka playing down, has worked in many, many famous cases.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

“Here’s an opinion” is what I believe you meant to say.

If it as strong as a fact as you say it is and I was educated improperly on facts vs opinions, I work for the State of Virginia. We can wager your future pension vs an initial powerball winnings.

This should be a no brainer for you Mr. or Ms. Fact. Start a random email address to begin the engagement to set it up. I’m really serious.

We can publicize it on the news. The sales proceeds on the commercials during the segment will go to Virginia Youth Soccer.

Ready to test your fact?

Bla bla bla. You're just going to find an example where an Aug birthday playing down got a 6k soccer scholorship to a 90k per year private school. Yea you really "won" on that one.

Freerides arent going to players playing down.

Goal posting moving again.

Before being forced to play up was the only way to play in college and now it is the only way for free rides. Free rides are very rare. So much is merit scholarships, fin aid, and so on.

D1 Mens soccer as an "equivalency sports," only has 9.9 scholarships to split on team. Full rides aren't realistic to plan on.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

People typically attend private schools when the public choices fail them.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

People attend private schools when public schools fail them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

People attend private schools when public schools fail them.

Or when Aug birthday patents fail their kid by playing them down when young in seach of plastic trophies. Screwing them over when they get older and what to play in college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

People attend private schools when public schools fail them.

Or when Aug birthday patents fail their kid by playing them down when young in seach of plastic trophies. Screwing them over when they get older and what to play in college.

Are they failing them? Or would they fail them by pushing them to play up when they aren't ready just because someone thinks you're behind if your not with your grade OR not being able to hang with the older kids?