UVA Gang rape

[Anonymous]

Get rid of all Greeks. Educate, educate, and educate some more that binge drinking and rape are BAD and will not be tolerated. Fire all College Officials who allow this disgusting behavior on campuses. Women on college campuses should just say no to the hookup and drinking culture. If a girl is raped on campus parents should stop paying tuition until the rapist is in jail.

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Anonymous wrote:11:46, can you think of a time when women were treated respectfully, as autonomous human beings who had the right to control their own bodies?

11:46 here: No, not that I know of, not in our culture. BUT, I do think that actually at my college at least in the 90s, it was actually a time when women were treated respectfully as autonomous human beings with the right to control our own bodies. Now, I think my college was and still is probably much better than most. But it also was the case that when I was in high school and college, the average age of sexual activity was later than it is now. I feel like girls are getting the message much earlier that their sexuality is their value. And boys are getting that message about girls too. So they don't treat them as humans.

No, it actually wasn't. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/figure/F2/

That chart doesn't support you. The latest data in it are from over 10 years ago.

How about this?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html#1

And if you don't like those data either, then please find some data that support the idea that the average age of first sexual activity is earlier now than in the 1990s.

No I DO like that one! It looks like it's comparing early '90s to 2006-2008. Not perfect, but it's at least somewhat persuasive. But I do know that the age of sex initiation in *my* peer group and culture versus in my kids' peer group and culture shows that it's gotten earlier during that time. This is also what my friend who's a pediatrician says she has seen in her patient population. So, while across the population as a whole it may have stayed steady or gotten later (which would be great), it does appear that among the college-bound upper-middle class kids, it's gotten earlier. From that very small small data set, that is. If there are statistics that actually break that down across different demographic groups, I'd love to see them.

What you have is not data. It's anecdotes.

Well, no, what I have is a very small data set. But I agree with you that it's not significant enough to answer the question I'm asking. Your data answers a broader question, which is helpful. I would love to see data that actually can answer it. I suspect it doesn't exist, at least not recently enough to be relevant.

NP. I can't figure out if you're a troll or just stupid. Or both.

Neither, thanks. But you're pretty awful.

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WHen I was in college I was required to take a 1 cr. race and culture course because the campus was 95% white back then.

I think a course/seminar devoted to rape, attacks and violence against women, hazing and responsible drinking should be required for ALL university students ESPECIALLY those playing on sport teams and joining fraternities. At the conclusion of the class, all students should agree to sign, "If in doubt, put it (penis) back (in the pants)," pledge.

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The FBI and DEA should investigate all Frats in the US for drug and alcohol abuse, hazing, and rape. The thugs should be prosecuted and then all the frats should be closed forever.

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Anonymous wrote:That's my point pp...and I'm not blaming the victim. Rather, I'm blaming the anti-rape advocates who have failed to equip women with basic knowledge on how to navigate the aftermath of rape...coupled with a national advocacy group that holds their hands through the criminal proceedings.

Shouldn't we all be anti-rape advocates?

Also, you seem to think that there is one correct way to "navigate the aftermath of rape", that applies to all women. There isn't.

Then stop complaining when prosecutions aren't made because women fail to come forward immediately following rapes. Just stop.

No, I don't think I'll stop complaining about that. Why don't you stop being a rape culture apologist?

I'm not in any way a "rape culture apologist" - what a moronic statement. Why do you think we are calling on women to REPORT the rape? Just for fun? Jesus.

Yes you are. You think it's fine to not prosecute because he traumatized victim doesn't report immediately. Apologist.

Seriously? Can you read at all? Apparently not.

Pretty good reader, yes. I seem to be able to read what you're saying better than you can. Or maybe you just don't know what an apologist is.

NP here and I have to agree, it really does appear you need reading assistance. PP was very clear about what she was saying; you're just itching for a fight. Calling someone who is clearly advocating for prosecution of rapists a "rape apologist" is irresponsible at best and just plain ignorant at worst.

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI and DEA should investigate all Frats in the US for drug and alcohol abuse, hazing, and rape. The thugs should be prosecuted and then all the frats should be closed forever.

Where will the funding come for all this investigation?

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Frats should be charged with hate crimes against women.

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Anonymous wrote:Frats should be charged with hate crimes against women.

This is a very good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get rid of all Greeks. Educate, educate, and educate some more that binge drinking and rape are BAD and will not be tolerated. Fire all College Officials who allow this disgusting behavior on campuses. Women on college campuses should just say no to the hookup and drinking culture. If a girl is raped on campus parents should stop paying tuition until the rapist is in jail.

Stop blaming women. Stop blaming casual sex. This is about consent, and women should be able to consent to casual sex without being judged for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of all Greeks. Educate, educate, and educate some more that binge drinking and rape are BAD and will not be tolerated. Fire all College Officials who allow this disgusting behavior on campuses. Women on college campuses should just say no to the hookup and drinking culture. If a girl is raped on campus parents should stop paying tuition until the rapist is in jail.

Stop blaming women. Stop blaming casual sex. This is about consent, and women should be able to consent to casual sex without being judged for it.

In a perfect world you are right in the real world it does not work that way.

You can't get wasted and consent to sex 99% of the time and then decide that 1 time it was not consensual.

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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of all Greeks. Educate, educate, and educate some more that binge drinking and rape are BAD and will not be tolerated. Fire all College Officials who allow this disgusting behavior on campuses. Women on college campuses should just say no to the hookup and drinking culture. If a girl is raped on campus parents should stop paying tuition until the rapist is in jail.

Stop blaming women. Stop blaming casual sex. This is about consent, and women should be able to consent to casual sex without being judged for it.

In a perfect world you are right in the real world it does not work that way.

You can't get wasted and consent to sex 99% of the time and then decide that 1 time it was not consensual.

Yes, actually you can, if the one time was, in fact, not consensual.

SMH. That attitude is why rape culture exists, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of all Greeks. Educate, educate, and educate some more that binge drinking and rape are BAD and will not be tolerated. Fire all College Officials who allow this disgusting behavior on campuses. Women on college campuses should just say no to the hookup and drinking culture. If a girl is raped on campus parents should stop paying tuition until the rapist is in jail.

Stop blaming women. Stop blaming casual sex. This is about consent, and women should be able to consent to casual sex without being judged for it.

In a perfect world you are right in the real world it does not work that way.

You can't get wasted and consent to sex 99% of the time and then decide that 1 time it was not consensual.

Yes, actually you can, if the one time was, in fact, not consensual.

SMH. That attitude is why rape culture exists, PP.

agree, my friend. Anytime it is not consensual, this includes with your SPOUSE, it is rape.

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI and DEA should investigate all Frats in the US for drug and alcohol abuse, hazing, and rape. The thugs should be prosecuted and then all the frats should be closed forever.

Just like the Catholic Church and the Penn State football program.

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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of all Greeks. Educate, educate, and educate some more that binge drinking and rape are BAD and will not be tolerated. Fire all College Officials who allow this disgusting behavior on campuses. Women on college campuses should just say no to the hookup and drinking culture. If a girl is raped on campus parents should stop paying tuition until the rapist is in jail.

Stop blaming women. Stop blaming casual sex. This is about consent, and women should be able to consent to casual sex without being judged for it.

I am not blaming women. Women need to do everything they can to empower themselves against males who want to take advantage of them. Drunk hookups give men more fuel for the fire. It is a slippery slope. Now the rape victim in the article was not drunk and was not looking for a hookup but all the men around her are wound up by that culture.

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI and DEA should investigate all Frats in the US for drug and alcohol abuse, hazing, and rape. The thugs should be prosecuted and then all the frats should be closed forever.

Just like the Catholic Church and the Penn State football program.

True. No group should be above the law.