Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

Yes. It is. And in the safe, legal, and rare line of legislation, she would be able to get her abortion. I would argue that a child rape victim should be able to get abortions until 20 weeks, provided that the fetus gets pain relief, because in that scenario the choice is between the ripping apart of two innocent victims.

But that’s not what the Democratic position is. It’s for no limitation. It’s for babies that we know feel pain to be dismembered with no pain relief at 20 weeks, or even longer, because the parents don’t want the child any longer.

I want honesty here. I want people who are pro-choice with no limits to be absolutely clear that what they want is the ability to dismember a tiny human in the womb, with no pain relief, up until the moment of birth. Because that’s what you want. Advocate for what you actually want.

And allowing 12 year old victims to get abortions until 20 weeks is absolutely not what the Republican position is. Especially not in states ruled by retrograde religious fanatics like Texas and Alabama and Florida. They have stated their position clearly and they have made their legislation to prevent even those cases of abortion.

—pro-choice Catholic

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

Yes. It is. And in the safe, legal, and rare line of legislation, she would be able to get her abortion. I would argue that a child rape victim should be able to get abortions until 20 weeks, provided that the fetus gets pain relief, because in that scenario the choice is between the ripping apart of two innocent victims.

But that’s not what the Democratic position is. It’s for no limitation. It’s for babies that we know feel pain to be dismembered with no pain relief at 20 weeks, or even longer, because the parents don’t want the child any longer.

I want honesty here. I want people who are pro-choice with no limits to be absolutely clear that what they want is the ability to dismember a tiny human in the womb, with no pain relief, up until the moment of birth. Because that’s what you want. Advocate for what you actually want.

And allowing 12 year old victims to get abortions until 20 weeks is absolutely not what the Republican position is. Especially not in states ruled by retrograde religious fanatics like Texas and Alabama and Florida. They have stated their position clearly and they have made their legislation to prevent even those cases of abortion.

—pro-choice Catholic

What are your personal limits, pro choice Catholic?

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

Tell that to the men who should be using condoms.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

So ironic that the posters who complain that Democrats are mean and calling Trump supporters names and that’s why people vote Republicans have no compunction about their smug attitudes toward women who find themselves with unwanted pregnancies. You might not be calling them sluts yourself but you are condescendingly casting doubt on their behavior. No one likes condescension as you might tell us, so your smug argument is not going to win votes. That’s a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

Tell that to the men who should be using condoms.

Men, use condoms. Happy now? Has nothing to do with the value of the life conceived.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

So ironic that the posters who complain that Democrats are mean and calling Trump supporters names and that’s why people vote Republicans have no compunction about their smug attitudes toward women who find themselves with unwanted pregnancies. You might not be calling them sluts yourself but you are condescendingly casting doubt on their behavior. No one likes condescension as you might tell us, so your smug argument is not going to win votes. That’s a fact.

People who have to state something is a fact are not speaking facts.

Not wanting healthy babies killed doesn’t equal calling women sluts. Pregnancy is a biological process. A woman is not a slut because she becomes pregnant, no matter the circumstance. I really wish you would not speak for others. The only slut talk I hear is from democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

Yes. It is. And in the safe, legal, and rare line of legislation, she would be able to get her abortion. I would argue that a child rape victim should be able to get abortions until 20 weeks, provided that the fetus gets pain relief, because in that scenario the choice is between the ripping apart of two innocent victims.

But that’s not what the Democratic position is. It’s for no limitation. It’s for babies that we know feel pain to be dismembered with no pain relief at 20 weeks, or even longer, because the parents don’t want the child any longer.

I want honesty here. I want people who are pro-choice with no limits to be absolutely clear that what they want is the ability to dismember a tiny human in the womb, with no pain relief, up until the moment of birth. Because that’s what you want. Advocate for what you actually want.

And allowing 12 year old victims to get abortions until 20 weeks is absolutely not what the Republican position is. Especially not in states ruled by retrograde religious fanatics like Texas and Alabama and Florida. They have stated their position clearly and they have made their legislation to prevent even those cases of abortion.

—pro-choice Catholic

What are your personal limits, pro choice Catholic?

I personally would not seek an abortion unless I had been raped or the fetus had a painful terminal medical issue. But I also would not judge others who get abortions.

I was fine with the standard that Roe set. Abortions available without forced vaginal probes or delays or making patients including rape victims look at the ultrasound - up to the point of viability, so 23-24 week. Abortions after that based on a doomed pregnancy outcome so that a woman isn’t forced to go to term with a fetus who has a catastrophic condition or when the abortion is needed to save the patient’s life or or health or the life of one of the multiples she is carrying (so allowing selective reduction in the case of twins or triplets when that save one of the fetuses). And letting this be a decision made by the patient and her doctor. Not the government.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

Yes. It is. And in the safe, legal, and rare line of legislation, she would be able to get her abortion. I would argue that a child rape victim should be able to get abortions until 20 weeks, provided that the fetus gets pain relief, because in that scenario the choice is between the ripping apart of two innocent victims.

But that’s not what the Democratic position is. It’s for no limitation. It’s for babies that we know feel pain to be dismembered with no pain relief at 20 weeks, or even longer, because the parents don’t want the child any longer.

I want honesty here. I want people who are pro-choice with no limits to be absolutely clear that what they want is the ability to dismember a tiny human in the womb, with no pain relief, up until the moment of birth. Because that’s what you want. Advocate for what you actually want.

Shocking that no one here has done so.

They can’t reconcile their position internally, much less to others.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

Yes. It is. And in the safe, legal, and rare line of legislation, she would be able to get her abortion. I would argue that a child rape victim should be able to get abortions until 20 weeks, provided that the fetus gets pain relief, because in that scenario the choice is between the ripping apart of two innocent victims.

But that’s not what the Democratic position is. It’s for no limitation. It’s for babies that we know feel pain to be dismembered with no pain relief at 20 weeks, or even longer, because the parents don’t want the child any longer.

I want honesty here. I want people who are pro-choice with no limits to be absolutely clear that what they want is the ability to dismember a tiny human in the womb, with no pain relief, up until the moment of birth. Because that’s what you want. Advocate for what you actually want.

And allowing 12 year old victims to get abortions until 20 weeks is absolutely not what the Republican position is. Especially not in states ruled by retrograde religious fanatics like Texas and Alabama and Florida. They have stated their position clearly and they have made their legislation to prevent even those cases of abortion.

—pro-choice Catholic

What are your personal limits, pro choice Catholic?

Yes, I’d like to know that too. Are you in favor of dismembering fetuses without pain relief at 18 weeks? 20 week? 27 weeks? 32 weeks? Do you want anyone to be able to do it for any reason at all? Where is your line?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

Yes. It is. And in the safe, legal, and rare line of legislation, she would be able to get her abortion. I would argue that a child rape victim should be able to get abortions until 20 weeks, provided that the fetus gets pain relief, because in that scenario the choice is between the ripping apart of two innocent victims.

But that’s not what the Democratic position is. It’s for no limitation. It’s for babies that we know feel pain to be dismembered with no pain relief at 20 weeks, or even longer, because the parents don’t want the child any longer.

I want honesty here. I want people who are pro-choice with no limits to be absolutely clear that what they want is the ability to dismember a tiny human in the womb, with no pain relief, up until the moment of birth. Because that’s what you want. Advocate for what you actually want.

And allowing 12 year old victims to get abortions until 20 weeks is absolutely not what the Republican position is. Especially not in states ruled by retrograde religious fanatics like Texas and Alabama and Florida. They have stated their position clearly and they have made their legislation to prevent even those cases of abortion.

—pro-choice Catholic

What are your personal limits, pro choice Catholic?

I personally would not seek an abortion unless I had been raped or the fetus had a painful terminal medical issue. But I also would not judge others who get abortions.

I was fine with the standard that Roe set. Abortions available without forced vaginal probes or delays or making patients including rape victims look at the ultrasound - up to the point of viability, so 23-24 week. Abortions after that based on a doomed pregnancy outcome so that a woman isn’t forced to go to term with a fetus who has a catastrophic condition or when the abortion is needed to save the patient’s life or or health or the life of one of the multiples she is carrying (so allowing selective reduction in the case of twins or triplets when that save one of the fetuses). And letting this be a decision made by the patient and her doctor. Not the government.

You say you don’t want the government involved, but the reality is that you do, it’s just that you set that limit at 23/24 weeks for a healthy pregnancy. Fine if that’s what you believe, but not sure why you take the holier-than-thou “decision made by the patient and her doctor”…when you don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:We continue to talk about 12 year olds, or fetuses with no chance of survival being brought to term.
How bout the pregnant woman doesn’t want to be a mother or pregnant. Thats a good enough reason for me, and most ppl. Jesus ppl, give it up.

Probably because the whole ash continuum matters. The GOP’s assault on women’s rights is nothing less than them creating second class citizenship for women where nothing is secure for us because we’d be at the mercy of our uteruses.

This is the thing: your whole argument that contend the GOPO is making women "second class citizens" just doesn't stand up to the garbage that the left is pulling. Biden actually wants to include men in Title IX. For any woman--or girl dad--to be okay with that takes away your right to say you're standing up for women as far as I am concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

PP calling babies punishments. God I hope they aren't a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

+1 I thought it was close to 90% chose to terminate. That number has probably gone down over the last 15 years as people have been pressured to keep their disabled children.

Yep. Google trisomy pregnancy termination stats if you don’t believe me. Majority will terminate.

And those who celebrate this the most are the health insurance companies.

And these sick PPs are the ones who call them punishments. It is absolutely unconscionable.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason I cannot get on board with the Dem position in this issue is their complete denial that any fetus in any stage is a living being with rights. A fetus is not simply tissue in the mother’s body.

I believe in bodily autonomy, and that no woman should be forced to remain pregnant. However, no one has the right to demand that a viable fetus be killed. But we don’t see the left advocating for the right to early inductions or C sections resulting in live births for women who do not wish to or cannot remain pregnant. Why is that? Because the entire point of many of these procedures is that the fetus is killed and ceases to exist. I’m talking about “medical” abortions where the fetus is being killed due to being diagnosed with a disability or hereditary disease. For those of us who don’t believe in euthanasia ESPECIALLY for those who cannot choose it, this is not materially different from infanticide.
Before you start lecturing me, I know firsthand the burden that families experience when they are faced with giving birth to a baby who will not survive more than a few hours or days, and I am fully aware of the enormous burden that families with disabled children experience. IMO these burdens are made worse by the fact that our society devalues individuals with disabilities and physical differences, so fewer are born (because they are aborted), so they are less “seen” in society, and therefore more stigmatized and less supported since most people are not impacted firsthand.

I hear you use the word “viable”. Yes that viability happens around 25 weeks and is basically the time frame that RvW allowed abortion restrictions to begin. Most Americans agree that is reasonable.

I am a person with a severe physical disability from birth and would like you to know I have no problem with someone deciding not to bring a child with severe abnormalities into the world. I do not judge them. I might have made the same decision myself if faced with a fetus with severe, cruel abnormalities whose life would be painful and short as well as incredibly stressful and devastatingly expensive for their families.

Start advocating for completely free medical care and living circumstances for the disabled and then we can talk more about how society values or devalues people like me.

Are you an advocate for physician assisted suicide?

Not an advocate but would not judge someone who at the end of their life decides they don’t want to go through the final months of pain, suffering, and degradation and asks for physician assisted, humane and painfree termination of their life. I think a person should have that right.

I mean why do we treat animals with such humanity, not allowing them to suffer at the end of their lives, but deny that choice for humans?

This is off topic, but I am Canadian and what is happening right now in Canada with MAID is horrifying. The state is pushing death because of healthcare costs. You do not want this coming to the US.

This is the slippery slope problem with both abortion and euthanasia. They can both be valid in my opinion for certain situations but then it descends into wanting no limits on abortion up until the 9th month of pregnancy or in the case of euthanasia for non life threatening issues like depression and autism.

Look at the slippery slope from “safe legal and rare” to threats of dropping the Hyde amendment and New York’s celebration of unrestricted abortion by lighting up the Empire State Building in pink. Disgusting.