Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:We continue to talk about 12 year olds, or fetuses with no chance of survival being brought to term.
How bout the pregnant woman doesn’t want to be a mother or pregnant. Thats a good enough reason for me, and most ppl. Jesus ppl, give it up.

Probably because the whole ash continuum matters. The GOP’s assault on women’s rights is nothing less than them creating second class citizenship for women where nothing is secure for us because we’d be at the mercy of our uteruses.

This is the thing: your whole argument that contend the GOPO is making women "second class citizens" just doesn't stand up to the garbage that the left is pulling. Biden actually wants to include men in Title IX. For any woman--or girl dad--to be okay with that takes away your right to say you're standing up for women as far as I am concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

PP calling babies punishments. God I hope they aren't a parent.

Yes let’s hope they were able to get an abortion. Some people shouldn’t be parents - and even they know it!

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I just wish people would be honest. Sometimes I think people should be forced to watch video detailing what they are supporting, and then defend their position.

For the anti-abortion folks, they would have to watch the screams of a 12-year-old torn apart by birth, or the painful death of a young child with genetic abnormalities, the struggle for air, the gasping for breath, the agony of the parents, or the screams of young children when they learn they are motherless because their mother bled out in a parking lot.

For the pro-choice people, they should be watch the dismemberment of a 21-week fetus, how that fetus twists frantically to get away from the machinery ripping it apart, how it visibly experiences pain. They should look at the body parts that remain, the “fetal tissue,” the tiny torn apart fingers.

Then, people can say, yes, this is what I support. Because I see a lot of people here talking in abstracts about what they support, but not a lot of honesty about what they actually support.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason I cannot get on board with the Dem position in this issue is their complete denial that any fetus in any stage is a living being with rights. A fetus is not simply tissue in the mother’s body.

I believe in bodily autonomy, and that no woman should be forced to remain pregnant. However, no one has the right to demand that a viable fetus be killed. But we don’t see the left advocating for the right to early inductions or C sections resulting in live births for women who do not wish to or cannot remain pregnant. Why is that? Because the entire point of many of these procedures is that the fetus is killed and ceases to exist. I’m talking about “medical” abortions where the fetus is being killed due to being diagnosed with a disability or hereditary disease. For those of us who don’t believe in euthanasia ESPECIALLY for those who cannot choose it, this is not materially different from infanticide.
Before you start lecturing me, I know firsthand the burden that families experience when they are faced with giving birth to a baby who will not survive more than a few hours or days, and I am fully aware of the enormous burden that families with disabled children experience. IMO these burdens are made worse by the fact that our society devalues individuals with disabilities and physical differences, so fewer are born (because they are aborted), so they are less “seen” in society, and therefore more stigmatized and less supported since most people are not impacted firsthand.

I hear you use the word “viable”. Yes that viability happens around 25 weeks and is basically the time frame that RvW allowed abortion restrictions to begin. Most Americans agree that is reasonable.

I am a person with a severe physical disability from birth and would like you to know I have no problem with someone deciding not to bring a child with severe abnormalities into the world. I do not judge them. I might have made the same decision myself if faced with a fetus with severe, cruel abnormalities whose life would be painful and short as well as incredibly stressful and devastatingly expensive for their families.

Start advocating for completely free medical care and living circumstances for the disabled and then we can talk more about how society values or devalues people like me.

Are you an advocate for physician assisted suicide?

Not an advocate but would not judge someone who at the end of their life decides they don’t want to go through the final months of pain, suffering, and degradation and asks for physician assisted, humane and painfree termination of their life. I think a person should have that right.

I mean why do we treat animals with such humanity, not allowing them to suffer at the end of their lives, but deny that choice for humans?

This is off topic, but I am Canadian and what is happening right now in Canada with MAID is horrifying. The state is pushing death because of healthcare costs. You do not want this coming to the US.

This is the slippery slope problem with both abortion and euthanasia. They can both be valid in my opinion for certain situations but then it descends into wanting no limits on abortion up until the 9th month of pregnancy or in the case of euthanasia for non life threatening issues like depression and autism.

Agree the euthanasia going on in Canada feels really evil (particularly in the cases of depression and autism."

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Anonymous wrote:I had a postpartum patient who had delivered a term baby with trisomy 18. They were a religious couple and chose not to abort the pregnancy. They were hoping the baby would be born alive but sadly it was a stillbirth. The love these parents had for their baby despite the genetic abnormality was beautiful. Various family members came to visit and hold the baby while celebrating her very short life. We took footprints and collected other things for the parents to remember her by. After about a day the funeral home came and carried away the baby in a basket. It reminded me of an old Oprah episode about a baby born with the same condition. They celebrated every day the baby lived until he passed (the video is linked below). I feel horrible for parents in these situations but can't help and think about how many babies with defects have been aborted in cruel manner and discarded as if their life didn't mean anything.

99 Balloons
https://youtu.be/ilQh2Q3OVwg?si=0QxWOl8yv6R3Z4vl

Have you spent a lot of time caring for someone who is severely disabled?

Dp; yes. My own child, who is now an adult and will always live with me.

I would never kill him because he’s someone who needs my help to survive and live a decent life. It turns my stomach to think people advocate for him to be killed. I would never do such a thing.

And yet, there are mothers in your position who think, if I had a chance to avoid this, i absolutely would.

I had the chance to spend the day with a couple and their mentally challenged 18 yo son, who is developmentally like a toddler. No attention span, constant needs, constant tantrums, (not getting his way leads to things being thrown and he's big), takes other people's things and takes off, up at night, needs help toileting, & wanders off if doors aren't secured. They have another child who is normal. I don't know how they do it, day in and day out... I got to leave and have a quiet peaceful night while thanking my lucky stars.

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Dear GOP. Get out of people's bedrooms and doctor's office. Especially you, Vance.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP. Get out of people's bedrooms and doctor's office. Especially you, Vance.

Do you go to unlicensed doctors regularly? Pay cash for medical care?

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish people would be honest. Sometimes I think people should be forced to watch video detailing what they are supporting, and then defend their position.

For the anti-abortion folks, they would have to watch the screams of a 12-year-old torn apart by birth, or the painful death of a young child with genetic abnormalities, the struggle for air, the gasping for breath, the agony of the parents, or the screams of young children when they learn they are motherless because their mother bled out in a parking lot.

For the pro-choice people, they should be watch the dismemberment of a 21-week fetus, how that fetus twists frantically to get away from the machinery ripping it apart, how it visibly experiences pain. They should look at the body parts that remain, the “fetal tissue,” the tiny torn apart fingers.

Then, people can say, yes, this is what I support. Because I see a lot of people here talking in abstracts about what they support, but not a lot of honesty about what they actually support.

Hi I know from experience that at around 20+ weeks the fetus gets an injection to stop its heart before the D&E begins.

Thanks for understanding.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP. Get out of people's bedrooms and doctor's office. Especially you, Vance.

Do you go to unlicensed doctors regularly? Pay cash for medical care?

Can I ask my doctor to remove an organ so I can sell it? Or do we have some restrictions on what we can do with our bodies?(like prostitution, a mandatory draft and more?)

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Anonymous wrote:The reason I cannot get on board with the Dem position in this issue is their complete denial that any fetus in any stage is a living being with rights. A fetus is not simply tissue in the mother’s body.

I believe in bodily autonomy, and that no woman should be forced to remain pregnant. However, no one has the right to demand that a viable fetus be killed. But we don’t see the left advocating for the right to early inductions or C sections resulting in live births for women who do not wish to or cannot remain pregnant. Why is that? Because the entire point of many of these procedures is that the fetus is killed and ceases to exist. I’m talking about “medical” abortions where the fetus is being killed due to being diagnosed with a disability or hereditary disease. For those of us who don’t believe in euthanasia ESPECIALLY for those who cannot choose it, this is not materially different from infanticide.
Before you start lecturing me, I know firsthand the burden that families experience when they are faced with giving birth to a baby who will not survive more than a few hours or days, and I am fully aware of the enormous burden that families with disabled children experience. IMO these burdens are made worse by the fact that our society devalues individuals with disabilities and physical differences, so fewer are born (because they are aborted), so they are less “seen” in society, and therefore more stigmatized and less supported since most people are not impacted firsthand.

I hear you use the word “viable”. Yes that viability happens around 25 weeks and is basically the time frame that RvW allowed abortion restrictions to begin. Most Americans agree that is reasonable.

I am a person with a severe physical disability from birth and would like you to know I have no problem with someone deciding not to bring a child with severe abnormalities into the world. I do not judge them. I might have made the same decision myself if faced with a fetus with severe, cruel abnormalities whose life would be painful and short as well as incredibly stressful and devastatingly expensive for their families.

Start advocating for completely free medical care and living circumstances for the disabled and then we can talk more about how society values or devalues people like me.

Are you an advocate for physician assisted suicide?

Not an advocate but would not judge someone who at the end of their life decides they don’t want to go through the final months of pain, suffering, and degradation and asks for physician assisted, humane and painfree termination of their life. I think a person should have that right.

I mean why do we treat animals with such humanity, not allowing them to suffer at the end of their lives, but deny that choice for humans?

This is off topic, but I am Canadian and what is happening right now in Canada with MAID is horrifying. The state is pushing death because of healthcare costs. You do not want this coming to the US.

This is the slippery slope problem with both abortion and euthanasia. They can both be valid in my opinion for certain situations but then it descends into wanting no limits on abortion up until the 9th month of pregnancy or in the case of euthanasia for non life threatening issues like depression and autism.

Agree the euthanasia going on in Canada feels really evil (particularly in the cases of depression and autism."

Another agree, you see this in parts of Europe as well. It’s awful.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a postpartum patient who had delivered a term baby with trisomy 18. They were a religious couple and chose not to abort the pregnancy. They were hoping the baby would be born alive but sadly it was a stillbirth. The love these parents had for their baby despite the genetic abnormality was beautiful. Various family members came to visit and hold the baby while celebrating her very short life. We took footprints and collected other things for the parents to remember her by. After about a day the funeral home came and carried away the baby in a basket. It reminded me of an old Oprah episode about a baby born with the same condition. They celebrated every day the baby lived until he passed (the video is linked below). I feel horrible for parents in these situations but can't help and think about how many babies with defects have been aborted in cruel manner and discarded as if their life didn't mean anything.

99 Balloons
https://youtu.be/ilQh2Q3OVwg?si=0QxWOl8yv6R3Z4vl

Have you spent a lot of time caring for someone who is severely disabled?

Dp; yes. My own child, who is now an adult and will always live with me.

I would never kill him because he’s someone who needs my help to survive and live a decent life. It turns my stomach to think people advocate for him to be killed. I would never do such a thing.

And yet, there are mothers in your position who think, if I had a chance to avoid this, i absolutely would.

I had the chance to spend the day with a couple and their mentally challenged 18 yo son, who is developmentally like a toddler. No attention span, constant needs, constant tantrums, (not getting his way leads to things being thrown and he's big), takes other people's things and takes off, up at night, needs help toileting, & wanders off if doors aren't secured. They have another child who is normal. I don't know how they do it, day in and day out... I got to leave and have a quiet peaceful night while thanking my lucky stars.

Yes, I am the one who posted about honesty and I think if I ruled the world, everyone with legislative or judicial authority with respect to abortion (looking at you, Supremes) should be forced to spend a month caring for an adult like this on their own before ruling.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish people would be honest. Sometimes I think people should be forced to watch video detailing what they are supporting, and then defend their position.

For the anti-abortion folks, they would have to watch the screams of a 12-year-old torn apart by birth, or the painful death of a young child with genetic abnormalities, the struggle for air, the gasping for breath, the agony of the parents, or the screams of young children when they learn they are motherless because their mother bled out in a parking lot.

For the pro-choice people, they should be watch the dismemberment of a 21-week fetus, how that fetus twists frantically to get away from the machinery ripping it apart, how it visibly experiences pain. They should look at the body parts that remain, the “fetal tissue,” the tiny torn apart fingers.

Then, people can say, yes, this is what I support. Because I see a lot of people here talking in abstracts about what they support, but not a lot of honesty about what they actually support.

Hi I know from experience that at around 20+ weeks the fetus gets an injection to stop its heart before the D&E begins.

Thanks for understanding.

Okay, we can add that to the list of things people should see: the video of the needle entering the uterus, the fetus squirming away from the needle and trying to get away, the needle entering the heart, and then the fetal tissue results of the D&E.

I am in favor of complete transparency here. People need to know exactly what it is they are supporting.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

PP calling babies punishments. God I hope they aren't a parent.

Yes let’s hope they were able to get an abortion. Some people shouldn’t be parents - and even they know it!

When you create a baby you are pregnant and already a parent. Killing your child just removes the child from development and begin born, not from existing as your child.

Your child existed; you just decided after he or she was created that you didn’t want to take care of him or her.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

According to Planned Parenthood they performed 5% more abortions relative to the previous year. Maybe women should learn to use effective birth control if they are engaging in an activity known to cause pregnancy. 1 out of 4 pregnancies are terminated which makes abortion far from a rare event. No one is calling them sluts or trying to punish them but there is something called personal responsibility.

PP calling babies punishments. God I hope they aren't a parent.

Yes let’s hope they were able to get an abortion. Some people shouldn’t be parents - and even they know it!

They should get their tubes tied and be done with it.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.