Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:Harris said no religious exceptions. She wants to force Catholic doctors and hospitals to perform abortions.

Good. In some places, the only hospital is unfortunately a Catholic hospital. And now that the conservatives have gotten rid of any abortion clinics, it is what it is.

Just because you are Catholic, doesn't mean the rest of us are. Leave us alone, give us a choice, and you can do what you want.

You say we can do what we want, but we do not want to kill babies.

Well no one is making *you* specifically do it.

But if you are the only hospital for hundreds of miles, you need to make sure someone on your staff will prioritize the life of a pregnant woman over whatever qualms you have about hastening the end of the dying fetus inside her. That seems like a reasonable demand of any hospital especially if it is taking state and government funds and the people living near it have no other choice. Then you need to provide the service one way or another.

Reality check: Catholic hospitals will close rather than be forced to do something against Catholic teachings, regardless of whether the next closest hospital is 500 miles away.

Reality Check: Catholic Hospitals make money. They push millions of dollars to their executives. They will not close.

Reality check: they absolutely will close and to believe otherwise is foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

A poster with self identified severe physical disability from birth is posting on this thread. If they can, anyone can.

Ironically, that poster is in full support of terminating genetically abnormal pregnancies. But hey you know better.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a postpartum patient who had delivered a term baby with trisomy 18. They were a religious couple and chose not to abort the pregnancy. They were hoping the baby would be born alive but sadly it was a stillbirth. The love these parents had for their baby despite the genetic abnormality was beautiful. Various family members came to visit and hold the baby while celebrating her very short life. We took footprints and collected other things for the parents to remember her by. After about a day the funeral home came and carried away the baby in a basket. It reminded me of an old Oprah episode about a baby born with the same condition. They celebrated every day the baby lived until he passed (the video is linked below). I feel horrible for parents in these situations but can't help and think about how many babies with defects have been aborted in cruel manner and discarded as if their life didn't mean anything.

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https://youtu.be/ilQh2Q3OVwg?si=0QxWOl8yv6R3Z4vl

Have you spent a lot of time caring for someone who is severely disabled?

Dp; yes. My own child, who is now an adult and will always live with me.

I would never kill him because he’s someone who needs my help to survive and live a decent life. It turns my stomach to think people advocate for him to be killed. I would never do such a thing.

People don’t advocate for terminating YOUR pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a postpartum patient who had delivered a term baby with trisomy 18. They were a religious couple and chose not to abort the pregnancy. They were hoping the baby would be born alive but sadly it was a stillbirth. The love these parents had for their baby despite the genetic abnormality was beautiful. Various family members came to visit and hold the baby while celebrating her very short life. We took footprints and collected other things for the parents to remember her by. After about a day the funeral home came and carried away the baby in a basket. It reminded me of an old Oprah episode about a baby born with the same condition. They celebrated every day the baby lived until he passed (the video is linked below). I feel horrible for parents in these situations but can't help and think about how many babies with defects have been aborted in cruel manner and discarded as if their life didn't mean anything.

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https://youtu.be/ilQh2Q3OVwg?si=0QxWOl8yv6R3Z4vl

Have you spent a lot of time caring for someone who is severely disabled?

Dp; yes. My own child, who is now an adult and will always live with me.

I would never kill him because he’s someone who needs my help to survive and live a decent life. It turns my stomach to think people advocate for him to be killed. I would never do such a thing.

And yet, there are mothers in your position who think, if I had a chance to avoid this, i absolutely would.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

Yes, it is horrific and the babies don’t receive pain medication because that would humanize them.

You would force a 12 year old baby to deliver her rapist’s child. Sicko.

I’d say the one advocating for babies to be dismembered without pain medication is the sicko.

Have you ever seen a 12 year old baby deliver a baby? It’s definitely ripping her body apart. The 12 year olds.

12 year olds give birth around the world everyday and are not ripped apart.

Please post that message everywhere you can.

Please look up worldwide birth statistics.

Please stop pretending that adult women have the right to elective abortion because they are raped 12 year olds being torn apart by the birthing process, when actually they just don’t want to take care of their child and would rather kill him or her instead.

Riding the painful coattails of actual victimized children is amoral and cruel.

Please keep spreading this message about 12 year olds being able to give birth just fine.

There’s no message that 12 year olds are able to give birth “fine.”


The message is that adult American women who want to have access to elective abortion and kill their own children for convenience are not raped 12 year old girls, despite their insistence that they are the same. They are not.

Using a raped 12 year old as an example of why you should be able to kill your child is the height of disgusting arrogance and gross political usage of a abused/victimized child for personal convenience.

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These monstrous abortion bans are having the effect that more 12 year olds are giving birth. It’s unconscionable.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

They don’t care. They are invested in pretending a fetus is not alive nor a human, and magically appears in a woman’s uterus because republicans cast an evil pregnancy spell across America every day and force women to become pregnant. Or something like that. Who really knows, they are deeply committed to denial and blaming other people for their unwanted pregnancies. Their own children are disposable and unworthy of love.

Like many women, I have had a miscarriage. Don't get me wrong, the experience was incredibly sad. But there was no death certificate. No funeral. That's because our fetus wasn't a person yet. I was fortunate enough that my miscarriage did not come with any major complications, but it gets dangerous when hospitals refuse to treat miscarrying women because they can't distinguish between miscarriages and abortions.

Women are so insistent on demanding elective abortion that women who have legitimate health issues are suffering.

We aren’t pretending abortion should be safe, legal, and rare anymore: it’s full on killing babies and shouting about it.

Women and girls who are raped, victims of incest, and experience health and medical issues should be able to choose what’s best for them in their horrific and cruel circumstances.

Women who want to cosplay as victims because they can get pregnant and aren’t willing to take care of their own child, aren’t the same as raped and medically urgent/emergent pregnant women suffering health problems. Using abused and sick women to demand abortion rights is the ultimate betrayal of your fellow women.

+1 This is why I am no longer a single issue pro-choice voter

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

A poster with self identified severe physical disability from birth is posting on this thread. If they can, anyone can.

Ironically, that poster is in full support of terminating genetically abnormal pregnancies. But hey you know better.

Yes, she’s alive and posting on dcum. That’s great.

Other severely physically disabled babies should not be born, like she was born, and given a chance to live and post on dcum.

Their lives aren’t as valuable as hers- she doesn’t explain why they aren’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

A poster with self identified severe physical disability from birth is posting on this thread. If they can, anyone can.

Ironically, that poster is in full support of terminating genetically abnormal pregnancies. But hey you know better.

Yes, she’s alive and posting on dcum. That’s great.

Other severely physically disabled babies should not be born, like she was born, and given a chance to live and post on dcum.

Their lives aren’t as valuable as hers- she doesn’t explain why they aren’t.

Did she ever say her life is valuable?

All she said was she’d understand opting out.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Agree, as someone who generally supports a right to abortion in the first trimester. It is horrifying that people terminate at twenty weeks.

I read stuff like the below and I want nothing to do with any political party that thinks this is okay:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

I am so sorry for your loss.

People who support second or third term abortions should read about what the babies endure during the abortion process. Ripping off limbs is horrific especially considering they start to feel pain about 13 weeks gestation. I've listened to interviews with abortion providers and it makes me sick what is happening. There is a reason a majority of ob/gyns will not perform abortions.

They don’t care. They are invested in pretending a fetus is not alive nor a human, and magically appears in a woman’s uterus because republicans cast an evil pregnancy spell across America every day and force women to become pregnant. Or something like that. Who really knows, they are deeply committed to denial and blaming other people for their unwanted pregnancies. Their own children are disposable and unworthy of love.

Like many women, I have had a miscarriage. Don't get me wrong, the experience was incredibly sad. But there was no death certificate. No funeral. That's because our fetus wasn't a person yet. I was fortunate enough that my miscarriage did not come with any major complications, but it gets dangerous when hospitals refuse to treat miscarrying women because they can't distinguish between miscarriages and abortions.

Women are so insistent on demanding elective abortion that women who have legitimate health issues are suffering.

We aren’t pretending abortion should be safe, legal, and rare anymore: it’s full on killing babies and shouting about it.

Women and girls who are raped, victims of incest, and experience health and medical issues should be able to choose what’s best for them in their horrific and cruel circumstances.

Women who want to cosplay as victims because they can get pregnant and aren’t willing to take care of their own child, aren’t the same as raped and medically urgent/emergent pregnant women suffering health problems. Using abused and sick women to demand abortion rights is the ultimate betrayal of your fellow women.

Are you asking women to prove that they were raped so that they can make that choice?

Do you think women and girls should experience rape and forced pregnancy and no one should call the police and report the rape so the rapist can be arrested and jailed?

Why are democrats so creepy? Yes: women and girls who are raped should report their rape no matter what the circumstances. That’s not even a debate.

Women and girls who are raped and impregnated by their rapists should report their rape and their forced pregnancy as the result of rape. Their rapist should be arrested and charged and imprisoned.

Do you think women and girls should not report their rapes? Why not? Their rapists should be allowed to rape them and free to rape at will again and again? Maybe their rapist can rape multiple girls and women and nobody will do anything to stop them, that’s what you are advocating?

I don't think women and girls need to be forced to report their rapists. Encouraged and supported, yes, absolutely. But let's face it. Rape is traumatizing and many who experience it don't want to face the consequences of bringing it to authorities. For one, we've all seen how people don't believe women who speak out against their assaulters. What if their rapist is far more powerful than they are and they foresee nothing but misery if they report it? For many, it might be psychologically too much. That's not ideal, but it's a reality and we all know it. Those women should be able to get an abortion without having to undergo more trauma.

And then there are minors who may not have the support of their parents to bring the rapists to account especially if the rapist is a family member. Yes, of course that family member should be brought to account and maybe once a girl is no longer a minor she can find the support she needs to bring charges. But the first priority should be making sure that minor doesn't have to endure a pregnancy that resulted from the assault.

You sound like you want to control women and girls, though. Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

+1 I thought it was close to 90% chose to terminate. That number has probably gone down over the last 15 years as people have been pressured to keep their disabled children.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

+1 I thought it was close to 90% chose to terminate. That number has probably gone down over the last 15 years as people have been pressured to keep their disabled children.

Yep. Google trisomy pregnancy termination stats if you don’t believe me. Majority will terminate.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

+1 I thought it was close to 90% chose to terminate. That number has probably gone down over the last 15 years as people have been pressured to keep their disabled children.

Yep. Google trisomy pregnancy termination stats if you don’t believe me. Majority will terminate.

And those who celebrate this the most are the health insurance companies.