NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you supporting his speech are missing the point. The reason so many are upset at the obvious misogyny is the fact that he addressed his comments ONLY at the women. Nowhere does he say he bets the men are looking forward to their roles of fatherhood, caregiver, or homemaker. He even said he was speaking directly to the women regarding the "diabolical" lies they've been told.
If he had addressed his comments regarding family and children being paramount to BOTH the men and the women, sure...fine. but he specifically called out the young ladies in the audience who had just earned their college degrees.
Such wealth and privilege. Of course, everyone is in the same financial position, right?

He literally talked about men being present in the home.

Yes, but he goes right from that into some nonsense about the emasculation of men. I'm not sure what the relationship is between "emasculated" men and not being present in the home.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

well, since you missed it, here you go:

“ Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 2024, you are sitting at the edge of the rest of your lives. Each of you has the potential to leave a legacy that transcends yourselves and this era of human existence. In the small ways, by living out your vocation, you will ensure that God's Church continues and the world is enlightened by your example.”

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“ It is only in the past few years that I have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly because, as I mentioned earlier, I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father, and as a man.”

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“ This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.”

*****

“ You might have a talent that you don't necessarily enjoy, but if it glorifies God, maybe you should lean into that over something that you might think suits you better.”

****

“ But this does make me reflect on staying in my lane and focusing on my own vocation and how I can be a better father and husband and live in the world but not be of it. Focusing on my vocation while praying and fasting for these men will do more for the Church than me complaining about her leaders.”

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About his wife:

“ She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father.”

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you supporting his speech are missing the point. The reason so many are upset at the obvious misogyny is the fact that he addressed his comments ONLY at the women. Nowhere does he say he bets the men are looking forward to their roles of fatherhood, caregiver, or homemaker. He even said he was speaking directly to the women regarding the "diabolical" lies they've been told.
If he had addressed his comments regarding family and children being paramount to BOTH the men and the women, sure...fine. but he specifically called out the young ladies in the audience who had just earned their college degrees.
Such wealth and privilege. Of course, everyone is in the same financial position, right?

He literally talked about men being present in the home.

What happens when the husband leaves or passes away?

Does your church pay the bills for these women?

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Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

DP. You are sorely mistaken about the Catholic meaning of “vocation.” There are four recognized categories of vocations within the Catholic Church.

1. Married life.
2. Priests.
3. Religious (monks, nuns, and certain consecrated lay people).
4. Single life.

https://vocations.archchicago.org/what-is-a-vocation

Notably, the last three categories are called to chastity while the first category is called to be open to life and procreation. The process of discernment is meant to lead one to a vocation within those four categories. Discernment within Catholicism is not understood to meant you finding “some role.”

While Catholicism is not precisely legalistic it is hierarchical with a well-defined magisterium. Have you heard of Canon law and canon lawyers?

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Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

Because the guy isn’t an ahole and Bill Maher sees that? The outrage is absurd. Women should only seek to work as corporate drones for the rest of their lives, and not look forward to motherhood and having a family? You think that’s the ideal?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t need a man telling me what I should want to do — I’m perfectly capable of deciding that on my own. It came across as very out of touch. I am a mother of three — and a senior manager in my job. If people like Butker were truly interested in “families,” they would support working mothers in the same way they claim to support non-working mothers.

Is he not allowed to share his opinion?

Yes he can. He. Any speak for Catholics nor can he speak for the Catholic Church. Much of his speech was blasphemous with respect to Catholic teachings.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

Exactly. In fact, he told the men to “Be unapologetic in your masculinity. Fight against the cultural emasculation of men. Do hard things. Never settle for what is easy…” 🙄 I would say that being a homemaker is hard and (over his words) most important, so why isn’t he telling men to do that?

I can’t wait until he “leans into masculinity “ and takes a tackle next season,

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

No it’s not. Vocation is not used in the Catholic Church to mean mom and wife.

No thanks with respect to googling my religion. I have the catechism and 50 years of Catholic education. You can take your pseudo Christianity and teach whatever BS you want to your “flock” but this speech was blasphemous in the context of Catholic teachings,

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

Because the guy isn’t an ahole and Bill Maher sees that? The outrage is absurd. Women should only seek to work as corporate drones for the rest of their lives, and not look forward to motherhood and having a family? You think that’s the ideal?

If you cherry pick 2 sentences he spoke and ignore that he is preaching at a Catholic school things that are against Catholic teaching then yes he is wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

well, since you missed it, here you go:

“ Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 2024, you are sitting at the edge of the rest of your lives. Each of you has the potential to leave a legacy that transcends yourselves and this era of human existence. In the small ways, by living out your vocation, you will ensure that God's Church continues and the world is enlightened by your example.”

****

“ It is only in the past few years that I have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly because, as I mentioned earlier, I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father, and as a man.”

****

“ This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.”

*****

“ You might have a talent that you don't necessarily enjoy, but if it glorifies God, maybe you should lean into that over something that you might think suits you better.”

****

“ But this does make me reflect on staying in my lane and focusing on my own vocation and how I can be a better father and husband and live in the world but not be of it. Focusing on my vocation while praying and fasting for these men will do more for the Church than me complaining about her leaders.”

****
About his wife:

“ She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father.”

And you are willfully ignoring the part where he addresses the women directly about the "diabolical lies" they've been told, and how their life only starts to have meaning once they have children. Or the part where he rails against IVF as being the result of the pervasiveness of disorder (way to encourage procreation there, buddy).
Have you seen the statement made by the Benedictine sisters? When you've got nuns speaking out against you, you're doing something wrong. But I guess their lives aren't meaningful, since they chose not to have children. Such selfish career women, those nuns!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

well, since you missed it, here you go:

“ Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 2024, you are sitting at the edge of the rest of your lives. Each of you has the potential to leave a legacy that transcends yourselves and this era of human existence. In the small ways, by living out your vocation, you will ensure that God's Church continues and the world is enlightened by your example.”

****

“ It is only in the past few years that I have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly because, as I mentioned earlier, I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father, and as a man.”

****

“ This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.”

*****

“ You might have a talent that you don't necessarily enjoy, but if it glorifies God, maybe you should lean into that over something that you might think suits you better.”

****

“ But this does make me reflect on staying in my lane and focusing on my own vocation and how I can be a better father and husband and live in the world but not be of it. Focusing on my vocation while praying and fasting for these men will do more for the Church than me complaining about her leaders.”

****
About his wife:

“ She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father.”

And you are willfully ignoring the part where he addresses the women directly about the "diabolical lies" they've been told, and how their life only starts to have meaning once they have children. Or the part where he rails against IVF as being the result of the pervasiveness of disorder (way to encourage procreation there, buddy).
Have you seen the statement made by the Benedictine sisters? When you've got nuns speaking out against you, you're doing something wrong. But I guess their lives aren't meaningful, since they chose not to have children. Such selfish career women, those nuns!

He say natural family planning is unnatural.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

well, since you missed it, here you go:

“ Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 2024, you are sitting at the edge of the rest of your lives. Each of you has the potential to leave a legacy that transcends yourselves and this era of human existence. In the small ways, by living out your vocation, you will ensure that God's Church continues and the world is enlightened by your example.”

****

“ It is only in the past few years that I have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly because, as I mentioned earlier, I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father, and as a man.”

****

“ This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.”

*****

“ You might have a talent that you don't necessarily enjoy, but if it glorifies God, maybe you should lean into that over something that you might think suits you better.”

****

“ But this does make me reflect on staying in my lane and focusing on my own vocation and how I can be a better father and husband and live in the world but not be of it. Focusing on my vocation while praying and fasting for these men will do more for the Church than me complaining about her leaders.”

****
About his wife:

“ She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father.”

And you are willfully ignoring the part where he addresses the women directly about the "diabolical lies" they've been told, and how their life only starts to have meaning once they have children. Or the part where he rails against IVF as being the result of the pervasiveness of disorder (way to encourage procreation there, buddy).
Have you seen the statement made by the Benedictine sisters? When you've got nuns speaking out against you, you're doing something wrong. But I guess their lives aren't meaningful, since they chose not to have children. Such selfish career women, those nuns!

He say natural family planning is unnatural.

Yeah, he seems to be lumping that in with IVF. Thats...certainly a new association I've never heard of before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

well, since you missed it, here you go:

“ Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 2024, you are sitting at the edge of the rest of your lives. Each of you has the potential to leave a legacy that transcends yourselves and this era of human existence. In the small ways, by living out your vocation, you will ensure that God's Church continues and the world is enlightened by your example.”

****

“ It is only in the past few years that I have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly because, as I mentioned earlier, I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father, and as a man.”

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“ This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.”

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“ You might have a talent that you don't necessarily enjoy, but if it glorifies God, maybe you should lean into that over something that you might think suits you better.”

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“ But this does make me reflect on staying in my lane and focusing on my own vocation and how I can be a better father and husband and live in the world but not be of it. Focusing on my vocation while praying and fasting for these men will do more for the Church than me complaining about her leaders.”

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About his wife:

“ She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father.”

And you are willfully ignoring the part where he addresses the women directly about the "diabolical lies" they've been told, and how their life only starts to have meaning once they have children. Or the part where he rails against IVF as being the result of the pervasiveness of disorder (way to encourage procreation there, buddy).
Have you seen the statement made by the Benedictine sisters? When you've got nuns speaking out against you, you're doing something wrong. But I guess their lives aren't meaningful, since they chose not to have children. Such selfish career women, those nuns!

He say natural family planning is unnatural.

Yeah, he seems to be lumping that in with IVF. Thats...certainly a new association I've never heard of before.

With respect to Catholic teaching it’s blasphemy.

He apparently doesn’t want his wife to ever have a supported reason to say no to sex.