NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

well, since you missed it, here you go:

“ Ladies and gentlemen of the class of 2024, you are sitting at the edge of the rest of your lives. Each of you has the potential to leave a legacy that transcends yourselves and this era of human existence. In the small ways, by living out your vocation, you will ensure that God's Church continues and the world is enlightened by your example.”

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“ It is only in the past few years that I have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly because, as I mentioned earlier, I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father, and as a man.”

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“ This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.”

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“ You might have a talent that you don't necessarily enjoy, but if it glorifies God, maybe you should lean into that over something that you might think suits you better.”

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“ But this does make me reflect on staying in my lane and focusing on my own vocation and how I can be a better father and husband and live in the world but not be of it. Focusing on my vocation while praying and fasting for these men will do more for the Church than me complaining about her leaders.”

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About his wife:

“ She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father.”

And you are willfully ignoring the part where he addresses the women directly about the "diabolical lies" they've been told, and how their life only starts to have meaning once they have children. Or the part where he rails against IVF as being the result of the pervasiveness of disorder (way to encourage procreation there, buddy).
Have you seen the statement made by the Benedictine sisters? When you've got nuns speaking out against you, you're doing something wrong. But I guess their lives aren't meaningful, since they chose not to have children. Such selfish career women, those nuns!

He say natural family planning is unnatural.

Yeah, he seems to be lumping that in with IVF. Thats...certainly a new association I've never heard of before.

With respect to Catholic teaching it’s blasphemy.

He apparently doesn’t want his wife to ever have a supported reason to say no to sex.

Less Catholic, more quiverful/Duggar.

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Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

Because the guy isn’t an ahole and Bill Maher sees that? The outrage is absurd. Women should only seek to work as corporate drones for the rest of their lives, and not look forward to motherhood and having a family? You think that’s the ideal?

Nor sustainable for human race.

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I was going to shrug and move on from this thread... but I heard another exchange on right wing media between Tucker Carlson and supposed libertarian Dave Smith that made me uncomfortable re: women and their need to be "protected and revered." It was... unsettling.

In the context of Dave Smith finding religion and protecting his wife from his concerns about the world and the future. WTF? If she is your partner, dude, she doesn't need to be sheltered and kept ignorant. A partner helps problem solve... like an equal.

I expect that crap from a religious right dude, but it was weird to hear from a person who says they were asked to run on the libertarian ticket.

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Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

Because the guy isn’t an ahole and Bill Maher sees that? The outrage is absurd. Women should only seek to work as corporate drones for the rest of their lives, and not look forward to motherhood and having a family? You think that’s the ideal?

Nor sustainable for human race.

Again for those in the back who can’t hear. Why isn’t that also told to en? Why shouldn’t men hear they can stay home and be caretakers?

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It’s wildly possible inappropriate to tell women who, after working hard for fours years on a degree towards a hopeful future, that they should chuck it all and it was all for naught. It is, yet again, telling women that their efforts are worthless unless they submit to the man — this, coming from a seemingly accomplished “man” who was raised by a certainly accomplished working mom. If he was so traumatized by his childhood and wanted to convey what he thinks is the best way of life, perhaps his message would have come across as more authentic had HE been the one to choose to stay home. As he knows, there are many, many reasons women choose to work outside the home, most often because they WANT to or they HAVE to. It’s simply insulting to suggest we women have not already thought or will think the issue through.

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Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

Because the guy isn’t an ahole and Bill Maher sees that? The outrage is absurd. Women should only seek to work as corporate drones for the rest of their lives, and not look forward to motherhood and having a family? You think that’s the ideal?

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Only 10% of women work at corporate jobs, and you do know there are women who can’t have children and according to this idiot they can’t seek treatment for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I was going to shrug and move on from this thread... but I heard another exchange on right wing media between Tucker Carlson and supposed libertarian Dave Smith that made me uncomfortable re: women and their need to be "protected and revered." It was... unsettling.

In the context of Dave Smith finding religion and protecting his wife from his concerns about the world and the future. WTF? If she is your partner, dude, she doesn't need to be sheltered and kept ignorant. A partner helps problem solve... like an equal.

I expect that crap from a religious right dude, but it was weird to hear from a person who says they were asked to run on the libertarian ticket.

Libertarians are house cats, and for a long time have essentially been Republicans. That’s not a surprise.

The misogyny that keeps leaking out of people is weird. It feels fetishistic at times.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

No it’s not. Vocation is not used in the Catholic Church to mean mom and wife.

No thanks with respect to googling my religion. I have the catechism and 50 years of Catholic education. You can take your pseudo Christianity and teach whatever BS you want to your “flock” but this speech was blasphemous in the context of Catholic teachings,

Well, it would seem you should update your studies. The Church has always thought about marriage as a vocation. Vatican II makes that clear. In the past 30 years or so church leadership has put more emphasis on the topic.

“ The church teaches that marriage is an authentic vocation or divine call. As a vocation, marriage is just as necessary and valuable to the church as other vocations.”

USCCB Letter in 2009.

“ Marriage isn’t just a ‘social’ act’. It’s a vocation that’s born from the heart, a conscious decision for the rest of one’s life that requires specific preparation.”

-Pope Francis

“ Marriage, as a vocation, calls you to steer a tiny boat – wave-tossed yet sturdy, thanks to the reality of the sacrament – across a sometimes stormy sea.”

-Pope Francis

“…God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes.”

Paragraph 1603 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church

“Thus, a person's life decision for marriage and the family is a response to a personal call from God. It is a genuine vocation, which includes a mission.”

St. John Paul II (speaking as Pope).

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Anonymous wrote:Unhinged? I found him to be well spoken and cogent.

What was "unhinged" about it?

If you have to ask…

...then OP doesn't know what the word unhinged means.

OP knows exactly what it means. Bro is batshit.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

No it’s not. Vocation is not used in the Catholic Church to mean mom and wife.

No thanks with respect to googling my religion. I have the catechism and 50 years of Catholic education. You can take your pseudo Christianity and teach whatever BS you want to your “flock” but this speech was blasphemous in the context of Catholic teachings,

Well, it would seem you should update your studies. The Church has always thought about marriage as a vocation. Vatican II makes that clear. In the past 30 years or so church leadership has put more emphasis on the topic.

“ The church teaches that marriage is an authentic vocation or divine call. As a vocation, marriage is just as necessary and valuable to the church as other vocations.”

USCCB Letter in 2009.

“ Marriage isn’t just a ‘social’ act’. It’s a vocation that’s born from the heart, a conscious decision for the rest of one’s life that requires specific preparation.”

-Pope Francis

“ Marriage, as a vocation, calls you to steer a tiny boat – wave-tossed yet sturdy, thanks to the reality of the sacrament – across a sometimes stormy sea.”

-Pope Francis

“…God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes.”

Paragraph 1603 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church

“Thus, a person's life decision for marriage and the family is a response to a personal call from God. It is a genuine vocation, which includes a mission.”

St. John Paul II (speaking as Pope).

Still can’t finds teaching where it says beings wife and mother is a vocation.., all night searching every speech by Francis … not 1 quote saying brings mother and wife is a vocation.

Marriage is a sacrament…. While we are talking about Francis

On natural family planning… something buttkiss is against

“ people think that - excuse my expression here - that in order to be good Catholics we have to be like rabbits."
"No. Parenthood is about being responsible. This is clear."

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

On freedom of speech: "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri [who organises the Pope's trips] speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit."

He also calls for more women leaders because the world would be more peaceful.

make space for women and to be “generative” through a pastoral ministry marked by concern and care, patience and maternal courage. The world, too, needs to look to mothers and to women in order to find peace, to emerge from the spiral of violence and hatred, and once more see things with genuinely human eyes and hearts. Every society needs to accept the gift that is woman, every woman: to respect, defend and esteem women, in the knowledge that whosoever harms a single woman profanes God

On toxic masculinity… When ministers go too far in their service and mistreat the people of God, they disfigure the face of the Church with macho and dictatorial attitudes,”
And…
Women have a capacity for theological reflection that is different from what we men have,” the pope acknowledged. “The church is woman. And if we do not understand who women are, what the theology of a woman is, we will never understand what the church is.”

Pope Francis makes women voting members with bishops … none wives none mothers
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2022/07/13/pope-francis-women-dicastery-bishops-243351

Now you know why buttkiss is feeling threatened by women

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

No it’s not. Vocation is not used in the Catholic Church to mean mom and wife.

No thanks with respect to googling my religion. I have the catechism and 50 years of Catholic education. You can take your pseudo Christianity and teach whatever BS you want to your “flock” but this speech was blasphemous in the context of Catholic teachings,

Well, it would seem you should update your studies. The Church has always thought about marriage as a vocation. Vatican II makes that clear. In the past 30 years or so church leadership has put more emphasis on the topic.

“ The church teaches that marriage is an authentic vocation or divine call. As a vocation, marriage is just as necessary and valuable to the church as other vocations.”

USCCB Letter in 2009.

“ Marriage isn’t just a ‘social’ act’. It’s a vocation that’s born from the heart, a conscious decision for the rest of one’s life that requires specific preparation.”

-Pope Francis

“ Marriage, as a vocation, calls you to steer a tiny boat – wave-tossed yet sturdy, thanks to the reality of the sacrament – across a sometimes stormy sea.”

-Pope Francis

“…God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes.”

Paragraph 1603 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church

“Thus, a person's life decision for marriage and the family is a response to a personal call from God. It is a genuine vocation, which includes a mission.”

St. John Paul II (speaking as Pope).

John Paul released a written portion of his speech and “vocation” was in quotes.

Also a Pope is not infallible unless he is speaking Ex cathedra and at the time he wasn’t so it is not considered doctrine. None of the Pope quotes from the 2 posts are doctrine.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s wildly possible inappropriate to tell women who, after working hard for fours years on a degree towards a hopeful future, that they should chuck it all and it was all for naught. It is, yet again, telling women that their efforts are worthless unless they submit to the man — this, coming from a seemingly accomplished “man” who was raised by a certainly accomplished working mom. If he was so traumatized by his childhood and wanted to convey what he thinks is the best way of life, perhaps his message would have come across as more authentic had HE been the one to choose to stay home. As he knows, there are many, many reasons women choose to work outside the home, most often because they WANT to or they HAVE to. It’s simply insulting to suggest we women have not already thought or will think the issue through.

That’s not what he said though. Good lord you people are trying very hard to be insulted.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is a bunch of whacky lefty extremists whining about people they perceive as extremists on the other side. Total clown show.

It’s wacky and extremist to reject the blanket argument that women’s primary goal in life is to marry, have kids, and be a homemaker?? Wow.

It is wacky and extremist to tell any members of a religious congregation what they should or should not believe amongst themselves.

He used the word “vocation” which has a very specific, doctrinal meaning within the Catholic Church. Nobody blinked in that audience because they know exactly what he means by that word. My guess is that you are offended because you are hearing that word in secular coding.

I read your post and just feel sorry you’re so confined by regressive ideology. I am wishing you well that you might one day become a more open minded and well rounded person.

I thank you for your well wishes. I’ll pray that someday you may learn tolerance for religious minorities.

Is Catholicism a religious minority?

Only 1/5 of the United States is Catholic. But it’s probably the largest religious group unless you count Christianity as a whole. Catholicism is a type of Christianity.

But the person you’re responding to does not understand Catholicism nor do they understand vocation. Also Jesus teaches that the greatest is not getting married. Get married weak because of lust. That is what the church teaches.

Like Eve biting the apple the previous poster up his blasphemous speech because it’s validating her life choices.

I’m sure most people are capable of understanding what you are referring to by “vocation”, even if they aren’t Christian. These aren’t some super ideas in a club. Just because I’m not Catholic doesn’t mean I can’t get the general gist.

Women get a role to play. Men get a role. Somehow the roles always seem to benefit the men in terms of authority, and in the modern age this could be interpreted as basically oppression, or internalized misogyny if you’re part of it all as a women, but hey who’s counting.

We all “understand” just fine. You’re not part of some super higher calling that is impossible to behold from the outside.

You said that you understood what the word “vocation” means in the Catholic Church. That is exactly exactly what you said…
In no way shape or form is the word vocation ever used in the Catholic Church to refer to being a wife and/or mother.

There is nothing general about the rules of Catholicism. There is no gist. It’s very specific. It’s quite illogical and that’s why you can’t apply logic to it either.

It’s hilarious that you are hearing that word and interpreting it’s as a secular word and then saying someone else is.

It’s also OK that you’re only a wife and or mother and that you could not dedicate your life to serving God, Though Jesus does think that is second fiddle to serving God, even for men.

You’re not Catholic, you don’t understand Catholicism, No you don’t understand that speech was blasphemous, I’m not sure why you’re on this thread.

As a catholic, who went to catholic school, etc, what you are describing sounds nothing like catholicism. It's not legalistic (in fact catholic schools use the Socratic method, the process of discernment is very important, and they have canonized several philosophers as saints).

Vocation is used to describe devoting your life to a purpose and a role. That role can be specific (priest, mother, fisher) or general (care of the poor, as catholic icon Mother Theresa did). Being a homemaker can absolutely be a vocation.

You might have some experience with catholic teaching but it appears to be very limited. If it functioned as you said, it would look like Islam, with lots of clerics to interpret rules. Catholics use a western philosophy approach (Google catholic discernment).

No it’s not. Vocation is not used in the Catholic Church to mean mom and wife.

No thanks with respect to googling my religion. I have the catechism and 50 years of Catholic education. You can take your pseudo Christianity and teach whatever BS you want to your “flock” but this speech was blasphemous in the context of Catholic teachings,

Well, it would seem you should update your studies. The Church has always thought about marriage as a vocation. Vatican II makes that clear. In the past 30 years or so church leadership has put more emphasis on the topic.

“ The church teaches that marriage is an authentic vocation or divine call. As a vocation, marriage is just as necessary and valuable to the church as other vocations.”

USCCB Letter in 2009.

“ Marriage isn’t just a ‘social’ act’. It’s a vocation that’s born from the heart, a conscious decision for the rest of one’s life that requires specific preparation.”

-Pope Francis

“ Marriage, as a vocation, calls you to steer a tiny boat – wave-tossed yet sturdy, thanks to the reality of the sacrament – across a sometimes stormy sea.”

-Pope Francis

“…God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes.”

Paragraph 1603 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church

“Thus, a person's life decision for marriage and the family is a response to a personal call from God. It is a genuine vocation, which includes a mission.”

St. John Paul II (speaking as Pope).

Ironic, no? That an organization that doesn't allow their leaders to marry is telling their flock that marriage is a higher calling.

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Once again, Bill Maher shines a bright light to expose the utter lunacy of the left.

This is actually amazing, because Maher has never wanted children and has gone out of his way to disparage people who choose to have children for his entire career. And he takes this ahole’s side why?

I knew a guy once who would provide parenting advice to us moms; the guy had no children.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you supporting his speech are missing the point. The reason so many are upset at the obvious misogyny is the fact that he addressed his comments ONLY at the women. Nowhere does he say he bets the men are looking forward to their roles of fatherhood, caregiver, or homemaker. He even said he was speaking directly to the women regarding the "diabolical" lies they've been told.
If he had addressed his comments regarding family and children being paramount to BOTH the men and the women, sure...fine. but he specifically called out the young ladies in the audience who had just earned their college degrees.
Such wealth and privilege. Of course, everyone is in the same financial position, right?

He literally talked about men being present in the home.

lol.. "present".. So, they just have to be at home but not actually parent because that's the woman's job.

If you think his message was the same for men, why didn't he just say to everyone about their "vocation" and looking forward to being a parent and spouse? Instead, he specifically called out women in his speech with respect to that line, and he told women that they had been lied to.

To men, he told them to embrace their "masculinity", whatever that means.

His speech is mired in misogyny. You can try to explain away "what he really" meant all you want, but we heard what he said.