NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Anonymous wrote:My problem with these lectures from conservative men is that they are totally clueless and uninformed. These lectures are mostly coming from men who are multi millionaires and their wives if they choose to stay home, never have to worry about financial stress.

Let’s argue for a hot minute that majority women do want to stay home for 7-8 years when their children are young. Okay, now what? How do we make this possible as a society? Have they looked at mortgage rates and prices at the grocery stores or college tuition prices?

Not a single time I have heard a solution from these men that let’s make sure women can stay home and for that to happen we propose such and such policies. To go on a podium as a multi millionaire and talk about family structure of the 50s when everything was affordable one income is dumb at best and incredibly tone deaf at worst.

Honestly, I would respect their “faith” and “opinion” s lot more if they backed their beliefs with solutions and supportive ideas. This performative nonsense can be done by a middle schooler.

As a SAHM and liberal, I will always say that I get more sneering about being a woman and performing childcare from right wingers than I do from lefties who generally don’t give two rats what I do in my life. It is the right wingers who seem to hate women altogether no matter what they do.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

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Not to mention, NFL "stars" who are domestic abusers but are still lauded for their football prowess. At least this guy is a decent family man - but the left can't stand men OR women who choose to put their family first.

He can do what he wants if he’s not hurting anyone. The problem is he’s dictating how everyone else should make decisions, FOX is amplifying this message, and it fits neatly into project 2025. I don’t want the government in my private life.

He's not dictating anything. He's not forcing you to do anything. He's just giving his opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

+1
Not to mention, NFL "stars" who are domestic abusers but are still lauded for their football prowess. At least this guy is a decent family man - but the left can't stand men OR women who choose to put their family first.

He can do what he wants if he’s not hurting anyone. The problem is he’s dictating how everyone else should make decisions, FOX is amplifying this message, and it fits neatly into project 2025. I don’t want the government in my private life.

You had to insert "Fox" and "Project 2025," even though neither are the subject of this thread. It's truly amazing the obsession some of you have.

Also - he's not dictating anything. He was simply giving his opinion. Feel free to disagree, but to claim he's somehow "making" women do this or that is just insane.

Yes. Fox and Project 2025 are most intimately connected.

Laura Ingraham applauding the speech.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/laura-kansas-city-chiefs-harrison-butker-used-graduation-something-mattered.amp

Project 2025:
Project 2025 promotes the ideal that the government should "maintain a biblically based, social-science-reinforced definition of marriage and family."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

+1
Not to mention, NFL "stars" who are domestic abusers but are still lauded for their football prowess. At least this guy is a decent family man - but the left can't stand men OR women who choose to put their family first.

He can do what he wants if he’s not hurting anyone. The problem is he’s dictating how everyone else should make decisions, FOX is amplifying this message, and it fits neatly into project 2025. I don’t want the government in my private life.

Agreed. The far right is just wetting its pants because they think they’re going to get everything they want, including to shut women out of the public sphere (except poor women, of course. They always have to work!).

Vote blue.

WTH? It's the LEFT who is wetting their pants over this complete non-issue. The guy isn't a politician and he's certainly not dictating anything. You LWNJs are throwing a tantrum over something that doesn't affect you in any way, shape, or form. Oh - and the right isn't interested in "shutting women out of the public sphere." Any further hyperbole you'd like to shower us with?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My problem with these lectures from conservative men is that they are totally clueless and uninformed. These lectures are mostly coming from men who are multi millionaires and their wives if they choose to stay home, never have to worry about financial stress.

Let’s argue for a hot minute that majority women do want to stay home for 7-8 years when their children are young. Okay, now what? How do we make this possible as a society? Have they looked at mortgage rates and prices at the grocery stores or college tuition prices?

Not a single time I have heard a solution from these men that let’s make sure women can stay home and for that to happen we propose such and such policies. To go on a podium as a multi millionaire and talk about family structure of the 50s when everything was affordable one income is dumb at best and incredibly tone deaf at worst.

Honestly, I would respect their “faith” and “opinion” s lot more if they backed their beliefs with solutions and supportive ideas. This performative nonsense can be done by a middle schooler.

As a SAHM and liberal, I will always say that I get more sneering about being a woman and performing childcare from right wingers than I do from lefties who generally don’t give two rats what I do in my life. It is the right wingers who seem to hate women altogether no matter what they do.

Riiiiight. So believable. Especially here on DCUM where 90% of posters are liberal and threads are always popping up, disparaging SAHMs. That's some pretty amazing gaslighting.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My problem with these lectures from conservative men is that they are totally clueless and uninformed. These lectures are mostly coming from men who are multi millionaires and their wives if they choose to stay home, never have to worry about financial stress.

Let’s argue for a hot minute that majority women do want to stay home for 7-8 years when their children are young. Okay, now what? How do we make this possible as a society? Have they looked at mortgage rates and prices at the grocery stores or college tuition prices?

Not a single time I have heard a solution from these men that let’s make sure women can stay home and for that to happen we propose such and such policies. To go on a podium as a multi millionaire and talk about family structure of the 50s when everything was affordable one income is dumb at best and incredibly tone deaf at worst.

Honestly, I would respect their “faith” and “opinion” s lot more if they backed their beliefs with solutions and supportive ideas. This performative nonsense can be done by a middle schooler.

As a SAHM and liberal, I will always say that I get more sneering about being a woman and performing childcare from right wingers than I do from lefties who generally don’t give two rats what I do in my life. It is the right wingers who seem to hate women altogether no matter what they do.

Interesting, and generally unbelievable. I was a SAHM to 3 kids spanning 26 years and not once was sneered at by anyone for my choice to “perform childcare.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t need a man telling me what I should want to do — I’m perfectly capable of deciding that on my own. It came across as very out of touch. I am a mother of three — and a senior manager in my job. If people like Butker were truly interested in “families,” they would support working mothers in the same way they claim to support non-working mothers.

Is he not allowed to share his opinion?

Of course he is; and women have a right to disagree with him.

Also, if he is so enamored about the noble duty of homemaker, why does he not ask the men in the audience to consider the same? Are men not capable of being homemakers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

+1
Not to mention, NFL "stars" who are domestic abusers but are still lauded for their football prowess. At least this guy is a decent family man - but the left can't stand men OR women who choose to put their family first.

He can do what he wants if he’s not hurting anyone. The problem is he’s dictating how everyone else should make decisions, FOX is amplifying this message, and it fits neatly into project 2025. I don’t want the government in my private life.

You had to insert "Fox" and "Project 2025," even though neither are the subject of this thread. It's truly amazing the obsession some of you have.

Also - he's not dictating anything. He was simply giving his opinion. Feel free to disagree, but to claim he's somehow "making" women do this or that is just insane.

Yes. Fox and Project 2025 are most intimately connected.

Laura Ingraham applauding the speech.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/laura-kansas-city-chiefs-harrison-butker-used-graduation-something-mattered.amp

Project 2025:
Project 2025 promotes the ideal that the government should "maintain a biblically based, social-science-reinforced definition of marriage and family."

Funny, since Laura Ingraham was not a homemaker in Butker’s sense.

[Anonymous]

He’s a child of the light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My problem with these lectures from conservative men is that they are totally clueless and uninformed. These lectures are mostly coming from men who are multi millionaires and their wives if they choose to stay home, never have to worry about financial stress.

Let’s argue for a hot minute that majority women do want to stay home for 7-8 years when their children are young. Okay, now what? How do we make this possible as a society? Have they looked at mortgage rates and prices at the grocery stores or college tuition prices?

Not a single time I have heard a solution from these men that let’s make sure women can stay home and for that to happen we propose such and such policies. To go on a podium as a multi millionaire and talk about family structure of the 50s when everything was affordable one income is dumb at best and incredibly tone deaf at worst.

Honestly, I would respect their “faith” and “opinion” s lot more if they backed their beliefs with solutions and supportive ideas. This performative nonsense can be done by a middle schooler.

As a SAHM and liberal, I will always say that I get more sneering about being a woman and performing childcare from right wingers than I do from lefties who generally don’t give two rats what I do in my life. It is the right wingers who seem to hate women altogether no matter what they do.

Interesting, and generally unbelievable. I was a SAHM to 3 kids spanning 26 years and not once was sneered at by anyone for my choice to “perform childcare.”

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

+1
Not to mention, NFL "stars" who are domestic abusers but are still lauded for their football prowess. At least this guy is a decent family man - but the left can't stand men OR women who choose to put their family first.

He can do what he wants if he’s not hurting anyone. The problem is he’s dictating how everyone else should make decisions, FOX is amplifying this message, and it fits neatly into project 2025. I don’t want the government in my private life.

You had to insert "Fox" and "Project 2025," even though neither are the subject of this thread. It's truly amazing the obsession some of you have.

Also - he's not dictating anything. He was simply giving his opinion. Feel free to disagree, but to claim he's somehow "making" women do this or that is just insane.

Yes. Fox and Project 2025 are most intimately connected.

Laura Ingraham applauding the speech.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/laura-kansas-city-chiefs-harrison-butker-used-graduation-something-mattered.amp

Project 2025:
Project 2025 promotes the ideal that the government should "maintain a biblically based, social-science-reinforced definition of marriage and family."

Funny, since Laura Ingraham was not a homemaker in Butker’s sense.

Which kind of makes the point - she's not a homemaker and yet she can see the validity of what he was saying. He wasn't calling for all women to be homemakers, either. You people have twisted his words repeatedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve had 50+ years of feminism discouraging girls from being wives and mothers. I think the younger generation is questioning that, and the pendulum is finally starting to swing back in the other direction a bit.

I agree. I'm all for women choosing what they want to do, be it a SAHM or a career - but I do think younger women are realizing that there are different seasons to life and planning accordingly.

This. We don’t object when women are told to put their children in daycare. But when someone suggests there’s value in taking care of your own children, he’s public enemy number one.

There’s a lot of years between college graduation and retirement. I don’t see what’s wrong with prioritizing one’s own children, especially when they are young.

Meanwhile, we’ve got daycare workers being arrested for drugging the children under their care. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/4-daycare-workers-arrested-lacing-childrens-food-melatonin/story?id=110329834

I must have missed the part where he addressed the same message to the men in the audience. Because, of course he told them the same, right? Silly me, it sounded like he spoke directly to the women.

Exactly. In fact, he told the men to “Be unapologetic in your masculinity. Fight against the cultural emasculation of men. Do hard things. Never settle for what is easy…” 🙄 I would say that being a homemaker is hard and (over his words) most important, so why isn’t he telling men to do that?

[Anonymous]

Some of you supporting his speech are missing the point. The reason so many are upset at the obvious misogyny is the fact that he addressed his comments ONLY at the women. Nowhere does he say he bets the men are looking forward to their roles of fatherhood, caregiver, or homemaker. He even said he was speaking directly to the women regarding the "diabolical" lies they've been told.
If he had addressed his comments regarding family and children being paramount to BOTH the men and the women, sure...fine. but he specifically called out the young ladies in the audience who had just earned their college degrees.
Such wealth and privilege. Of course, everyone is in the same financial position, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you supporting his speech are missing the point. The reason so many are upset at the obvious misogyny is the fact that he addressed his comments ONLY at the women. Nowhere does he say he bets the men are looking forward to their roles of fatherhood, caregiver, or homemaker. He even said he was speaking directly to the women regarding the "diabolical" lies they've been told.
If he had addressed his comments regarding family and children being paramount to BOTH the men and the women, sure...fine. but he specifically called out the young ladies in the audience who had just earned their college degrees.
Such wealth and privilege. Of course, everyone is in the same financial position, right?

He literally talked about men being present in the home.