Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:There are many links if you google but May is Military Appreciation Month. https://www.military.com/military-appreciation-month

And November is National Veterans and Military Families Month. That's two whole months, plus Memorial Day and Veteran's Day.

What is the November Pride month?

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Anonymous wrote:But it is sort of precious that the people who believe everyone has little “gender souls” independent of their biology are the ones accusing the OTHER people (who stick to what is scientifically true of all other mammals) of being “religious”

Lol

People have a personalities, independent of their biology.

but there is no ideologically-driven campaign to use personality (a signal that can be faked) in place of some other signal that is harder to fake - for example, imagine "my face looks like I'm frowning but in my personality that means something different, and I expect you to know that" - crazy, right?

whereas there IS an ideologically-driven campaign to start using gender (which is internal, invisible, and can be faked) in place of sex, which is not always crystal clear, but usually is, and can't be faked

people like unfalsifiable signals because they enable us to live in peace with strangers

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Anonymous wrote:Liberal Dem here. I know that some people are truly transgender and I support them and their transitions, That said there is an obvious contagion in late elementary grades and middle schools around here. It’s doing real damage to kids and families and I’d like to figure out how to stop it.

I share these concerns. I also can’t blindly support the trans community because women’s sports do matter to me. The way in which trans advocates dismiss real concerns raised by cis women and demonize anyone who brings them up alienates ppl like me who are generally good allies.

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The Republicans’ trans panic is seeping into views on plain old gay people.

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans’ trans panic is seeping into views on plain old gay people.

When backwards people get scared they quickly revert to type. They never really supported gay people or their rights. They just convinced they could tolerate if it so long as no one was “shoving anything in their faces” that could get in the way of them jamming the rest of their backwards religious agenda down our throats. Sure, gay people have rights, so long as I don’t have to serve them at my for-profit business. Etc.

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46 couldn't of said it better IMHO

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Anonymous wrote:46 couldn't of said it better IMHO

This is not a thread about DOMA. Also, younger Joe Biden was right that an amendment would be a waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

DP. Are you the same poster who wrote this?
"It's pretty dumb of you to use this one example to make a point. Statistics make points. Anecdotes do not."
If so, right back atcha.

I don't understand the point you're making. Are you suggesting there aren't statistics to support that trans people are bullied and victimized, not just with shouting but actual violent crimes?

There might not be a ton of 9yo cis girls who are mistaken for trans girls at sporting events and verbally assaulted by senior citizens, but that's a pretty specific situation. Trans people deal with it frequently.

This is America! Everyone, including cishet white men, gets bullied. Trans men and women don't have a lock on victimhood. And frankly, of late, trans women have become the biggest bullies against women.

Are you talking about…online? Or have you been repeatedly bullied by trans women? Because I doubt most people interact with trans women often.

Several times a week, several working in checkout line at 2 different grocery store where check out clerk is trans. Sudden explosion of number I see in public. Several at work too if you work in technological related field.

Is their existence what you consider to be bullying, or are they all bullying you?

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans’ trans panic is seeping into views on plain old gay people.

When backwards people get scared they quickly revert to type. They never really supported gay people or their rights. They just convinced they could tolerate if it so long as no one was “shoving anything in their faces” that could get in the way of them jamming the rest of their backwards religious agenda down our throats. Sure, gay people have rights, so long as I don’t have to serve them at my for-profit business. Etc.

This isn't "Republican trans panic."

What you are seeing is pretty nonpartisan. Or, bipartisan. People from all backgrounds and politics are tiring quickly of the push to condone the trans lifestyle. And, yes, condoning it is what is expected. There is no space for anyone to speak out against it..... you will be canceled, shamed, banned and possibly even arrested.
The best thing that could happen is to have LGB without the T.

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans’ trans panic is seeping into views on plain old gay people.

When backwards people get scared they quickly revert to type. They never really supported gay people or their rights. They just convinced they could tolerate if it so long as no one was “shoving anything in their faces” that could get in the way of them jamming the rest of their backwards religious agenda down our throats. Sure, gay people have rights, so long as I don’t have to serve them at my for-profit business. Etc.

Why do straight people need to support gay people and gay rights? And what are these gay rights that are specific to only gays that non gays need to support?

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The overwhelming majority of Americans, regardless of where they stand politically, could care less about the sexual orientation of other people and feel as though everyone should have the same rights under the rule of law. Our politicians bring some issues to the forefront for shock-value purposes. The primary agenda behind many campaign strategies is continually reminding the sheep of why they should fear the awful other side with the end goal being to prevent voters from shifting from reliably red or blue to possibly swing voters. Political messaging that targets keeping the sheep in line is just as important as the messaging geared towards recruiting swing voters. Most of us are sheep and some of us are swing voters but all of our votes are targeted with carefully planned political messaging campaigns that are very effective at using fear and shock-value to woo voters. Fox News, MSNBC and the likes align their messaging to the messaging coming from the base of the party they are in bed with to make it very difficult for American voters to step outside of the political bubble that encapsulates them.

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Right to be left alone like everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:The overwhelming majority of Americans, regardless of where they stand politically, could care less about the sexual orientation of other people and feel as though everyone should have the same rights under the rule of law. Our politicians bring some issues to the forefront for shock-value purposes. The primary agenda behind many campaign strategies is continually reminding the sheep of why they should fear the awful other side with the end goal being to prevent voters from shifting from reliably red or blue to possibly swing voters. Political messaging that targets keeping the sheep in line is just as important as the messaging geared towards recruiting swing voters. Most of us are sheep and some of us are swing voters but all of our votes are targeted with carefully planned political messaging campaigns that are very effective at using fear and shock-value to woo voters. Fox News, MSNBC and the likes align their messaging to the messaging coming from the base of the party they are in bed with to make it very difficult for American voters to step outside of the political bubble that encapsulates them.

What you say may be true, but it has been my observation that the push back on the trans agenda is not coming from politicians.
It is coming from parents whose children are being forced to participate in pride activities in schools. It is coming from consumers who want companies to stop with the virtue signaling in trying to sell their products. And, it is coming from sports fans who want to keep the whole Pride push out of the sports arena.

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Anonymous wrote:The overwhelming majority of Americans, regardless of where they stand politically, could care less about the sexual orientation of other people and feel as though everyone should have the same rights under the rule of law. Our politicians bring some issues to the forefront for shock-value purposes. The primary agenda behind many campaign strategies is continually reminding the sheep of why they should fear the awful other side with the end goal being to prevent voters from shifting from reliably red or blue to possibly swing voters. Political messaging that targets keeping the sheep in line is just as important as the messaging geared towards recruiting swing voters. Most of us are sheep and some of us are swing voters but all of our votes are targeted with carefully planned political messaging campaigns that are very effective at using fear and shock-value to woo voters. Fox News, MSNBC and the likes align their messaging to the messaging coming from the base of the party they are in bed with to make it very difficult for American voters to step outside of the political bubble that encapsulates them.

What you say may be true, but it has been my observation that the push back on the trans agenda is not coming from politicians.
It is coming from parents whose children are being forced to participate in pride activities in schools. It is coming from consumers who want companies to stop with the virtue signaling in trying to sell their products. And, it is coming from sports fans who want to keep the whole Pride push out of the sports arena.

I went to pride night for sports more than 15 years ago. It’s not new, but the hysteria is.

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans’ trans panic is seeping into views on plain old gay people.

When backwards people get scared they quickly revert to type. They never really supported gay people or their rights. They just convinced they could tolerate if it so long as no one was “shoving anything in their faces” that could get in the way of them jamming the rest of their backwards religious agenda down our throats. Sure, gay people have rights, so long as I don’t have to serve them at my for-profit business. Etc.

This isn't "Republican trans panic."

What you are seeing is pretty nonpartisan. Or, bipartisan. People from all backgrounds and politics are tiring quickly of the push to condone the trans lifestyle. And, yes, condoning it is what is expected. There is no space for anyone to speak out against it..... you will be canceled, shamed, banned and possibly even arrested.
The best thing that could happen is to have LGB without the T.

It’s literally Republicans. That’s why red states are passing bans and blue states are passing protections. Trans panic is an apt phrase.