Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

[Anonymous]

I’m a conservative and have no issue whatsoever with the LGBT community. I have gay family members and friends. It’s just not the big deal some of you seem to want it to be. Frankly, I would simply like to stop talking about it - and I know my gay friends/family feel the same way.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

To add, I don’t want anything “rolled back.” LGBT people are just people, like everyone else. They should (and do) have all the rights everyone else has. Can we please just move on without having to constantly discuss/celebrate/emote/signal?

[Anonymous]

As long as there’s no special treatment for anybody based on racial, sexual or psychological differences and everything is based on merit I’m good with all of it.

No affirmative action and no bias. That there is homosexual pride MONTH and veterans only get a day is sick.

[Anonymous]

You know Pride is not ver the top because of capitalism. Companies want to sell merch. They want another holiday to sell sh*t!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To add, I don’t want anything “rolled back.” LGBT people are just people, like everyone else. They should (and do) have all the rights everyone else has. Can we please just move on without having to constantly discuss/celebrate/emote/signal?

+1000

[Anonymous]

When our nation expanded gay rights-- and I was an early adopter to this notion-- it was because I thought it would be good for families. Gay people could have marriages, kids, and normal lives. In the past couple years, this has changed into an overtly "sexual revolution" message that places an emphasis on personal sexual fulfillment rather than emphasizing the importance of family unity. I think this is harmful to society, and while we should certainly tolerate people who choose to live promiscuous, self-indulgent lifestyles (straight or gay), this shouldn't be celebrated and promoted in the form of state sponsored parades with public nudity or otherwise salacious dress, books in public schools for children, and the White House declaring this lifestyle the "bravest and most courageous." We don't celebrate families in this way, and raising a family is both difficult and essential for society. I think using taxpayer money to promote sexual promiscuity is a step too far and too "Brave New World" ("promiscuity is a citizen's duty"-- literal quote from the book). One way to destroy a culture is to weaken personal relationships, and I am highly suspicious of the intent behind the assault on families (again, gay or straight) and the extreme emphasis on individual sexual gratification as the ultimate good. Biden's recent comments about how all kids are everyone's kids is, again, straight out of Brave New World ("everyone belongs to everyone"). Just like when you prioritize everything, nothing is a priority-- when you make everyone belong to everyone, then no one belongs to anyone. As they say, when people show you who they are- believe them. We all saw them disrobe in front of the white house, in a crowd of likeminded revolutionaries, and shake their bare chests on a video.
In front of Biden, the secret service, etc. I believe them; they intend to destroy our culture and our values by debasing what we used to find important (the American dream) and replace it with a new priority of sexuality as the supreme value. In other words, to me, this isn't about being gay or being straight. It's about an insidious attempt to destroy our society from the inside out in order to gain control. So, what limits do I want on gay people? None. What limits do I want on l the government promoting gender confusion, while also baking in parental alienation as an actual policy? Limits on the use of elected positions to promote sexual promiscuity? I want total cessation of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
As long as there’s no special treatment for anybody based on racial, sexual or psychological differences and everything is based on merit I’m good with all of it.

No affirmative action and no bias. That there is homosexual pride MONTH and veterans only get a day is sick.

I was going to ask what you consider special treatment and you gave me an example. How that is special treatment I dont' know
Veteran's Day started as Armistice Day, became Veteran's Day after WWII, was originated by a president (Wilson), and was signed into law as a national holiday by Pres Eisenhower.

Pride Month did not start with a presidential proclamation and has only been recognized as s special month (this is murky because I know Pride Parades occur in different months in different states I know of) by two presidents.
Basically you're repeating a tagline complaint someone came up as if it indicates an actual problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
As long as there’s no special treatment for anybody based on racial, sexual or psychological differences and everything is based on merit I’m good with all of it.

No affirmative action and no bias. That there is homosexual pride MONTH and veterans only get a day is sick.

I was going to ask what you consider special treatment and you gave me an example. How that is special treatment I dont' know
Veteran's Day started as Armistice Day, became Veteran's Day after WWII, was originated by a president (Wilson), and was signed into law as a national holiday by Pres Eisenhower.

Pride Month did not start with a presidential proclamation and has only been recognized as s special month (this is murky because I know Pride Parades occur in different months in different states I know of) by two presidents.
Basically you're repeating a tagline complaint someone came up as if it indicates an actual problem.

I often read on this website, "you're repeating a tagline" or something similar. That isn't a rebuttal. If you hear something often, the logical explanation is that it resonates with people as true. You're welcome to explain why it isn't. But the fact that many people believe it isn't evidence that it is false.

[Anonymous]

DP but as a follow up for those who are sick of hearing about LGBTQ , don’t you realize that it is your party that is allows finding a way to push this to the forefront? It started with the whole fear of men dressed like women using women’s bathroom. As a liberal, I found this really random and bizarre. Women’s rooms have stalls. I have never known or cared whether the person in the stall next to me was a woman or man pretending to be a woman.

The Florida don’t say gay bill or small businesses refusing to serve gay people was also pushed by conservatives to get it in the media.

[Anonymous]

PP, PLEASE

I agree the pendulum has swung into crazy in the right but have you given any thought to how often all these issues are discussed in schools, newspapers, and so on? No one ever voted for that - it was just decided by our betters that enlightenment was called for

[Anonymous]

Prediction: one of the Red states will ban Pride parades in the next two years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, PLEASE

I agree the pendulum has swung into crazy in the right but have you given any thought to how often all these issues are discussed in schools, newspapers, and so on? No one ever voted for that - it was just decided by our betters that enlightenment was called for

Do you think we should vote for what gets discussed in newspaper?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
As long as there’s no special treatment for anybody based on racial, sexual or psychological differences and everything is based on merit I’m good with all of it.

No affirmative action and no bias. That there is homosexual pride MONTH and veterans only get a day is sick.

I was going to ask what you consider special treatment and you gave me an example. How that is special treatment I dont' know
Veteran's Day started as Armistice Day, became Veteran's Day after WWII, was originated by a president (Wilson), and was signed into law as a national holiday by Pres Eisenhower.

Pride Month did not start with a presidential proclamation and has only been recognized as s special month (this is murky because I know Pride Parades occur in different months in different states I know of) by two presidents.
Basically you're repeating a tagline complaint someone came up as if it indicates an actual problem.

I often read on this website, "you're repeating a tagline" or something similar. That isn't a rebuttal. If you hear something often, the logical explanation is that it resonates with people as true. You're welcome to explain why it isn't. But the fact that many people believe it isn't evidence that it is false.

"repeating a tgagline" wasn't my argument, it was an additional observation. I seem to have come across the exact same Pride Month vs Veterans Day line a lot of times in the past maybe 2 weeks, never before. It is clearly being spread (social contagion there). My argument is that Pride Month and Veterans Day are apples and oranges. They are not the same kind of thing. In fact here is the list of "months" proclaimed for June:
June: Gay and Lesbian Pride Month
June: Caribbean-American Heritage Month
June: Great Outdoors Month
June: National Oceans Month
June: African-American Music Appreciation Month

So Pride Month has to share with all these other observations. November 11 can't ever be a different Federal holiday because it is already taken. It is exclusive. So your complaint is not a good example of anyone getting special privileges.