Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

Or previous generations suppressed themselves more.

No, not really. Maybe that makes you feel better but that's not it.

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Anonymous wrote:I know OP was asking for a bit more analysis though

There have always been gay people and if they want to get married and old and bored together they are more than welcome as far as I’m concerned

There are no doubt some people who are genuinely “trans” but it’s a psych condition to be managed, not a brave new philosophy to be celebrated - and there is quite obviously a social contagion element to it, particularly where tween/teen girls are concerned, so I think we as a society should tread VERY lightly and slowly and cautiously in medicalizing it

My opinion

+1. Well said. I also draw the line at threats to women and children. I vehemently object to laws that allow men to use women's restrooms and invade female spaces like locker rooms and sorority houses. If you're born male, then no competing in female sports because you "feel" a certain way. That's misogynistic in this new progressive way where the libs discriminate against certain groups under the guise of protecting other groups who vote their way. I also support laws preventing teaching children in K-3rd grades about stuff like being trans. DeSantis got that right.

I'm pretty conservative because the only thing that I support is equal marriage laws. I agree that women should be allowed to marry women and men allowed to marry men, and receive the same healthcare and tax benefits as everyone else. That part is only fair. I've felt this way for decades and actually demonstrated for these rights. So I guess this is how far I want LGBTQ rights rolled back.

So if you have a trans man who really presents like a biological man to most people who can't tell that it is a trans man, you think that trans man should use the women's bathroom because they are chromosomally XX? Tell us how you would feel if that trans man used your bathroom?

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

Or previous generations suppressed themselves more.

No, not really. Maybe that makes you feel better but that's not it.

NP. It can’t be both ways. You are either born LGBTQ, or not. Exposure shouldn’t matter.

Side note: I think many young girls and women are claiming to be L or Q to avoid dealing with men.

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Anonymous wrote:When our nation expanded gay rights-- and I was an early adopter to this notion-- it was because I thought it would be good for families. Gay people could have marriages, kids, and normal lives. In the past couple years, this has changed into an overtly "sexual revolution" message that places an emphasis on personal sexual fulfillment rather than emphasizing the importance of family unity. I think this is harmful to society, and while we should certainly tolerate people who choose to live promiscuous, self-indulgent lifestyles (straight or gay), this shouldn't be celebrated and promoted in the form of state sponsored parades with public nudity or otherwise salacious dress, books in public schools for children, and the White House declaring this lifestyle the "bravest and most courageous." We don't celebrate families in this way, and raising a family is both difficult and essential for society. I think using taxpayer money to promote sexual promiscuity is a step too far and too "Brave New World" ("promiscuity is a citizen's duty"-- literal quote from the book). One way to destroy a culture is to weaken personal relationships, and I am highly suspicious of the intent behind the assault on families (again, gay or straight) and the extreme emphasis on individual sexual gratification as the ultimate good. Biden's recent comments about how all kids are everyone's kids is, again, straight out of Brave New World ("everyone belongs to everyone"). Just like when you prioritize everything, nothing is a priority-- when you make everyone belong to everyone, then no one belongs to anyone. As they say, when people show you who they are- believe them. We all saw them disrobe in front of the white house, in a crowd of likeminded revolutionaries, and shake their bare chests on a video.
In front of Biden, the secret service, etc. I believe them; they intend to destroy our culture and our values by debasing what we used to find important (the American dream) and replace it with a new priority of sexuality as the supreme value. In other words, to me, this isn't about being gay or being straight. It's about an insidious attempt to destroy our society from the inside out in order to gain control. So, what limits do I want on gay people? None. What limits do I want on l the government promoting gender confusion, while also baking in parental alienation as an actual policy? Limits on the use of elected positions to promote sexual promiscuity? I want total cessation of this.

Well said. I have been thinking about that book a lot lately.

I 100% support equal rights for all people. But like others above said, I think most people are tired of hearing people yap about it all the time. I think sadly for the LGBT community, the extremists in their community are hurting them.

Do you know why people are "yapping about it all the time?" Because trans people are dying! A trans acquaintance of mine just had his drink spiked with Fentanyl at a random bar and he is now in the hospital with kidney failure.

"That's an isolated incident. It's not happening on a large scale " Right?

The thing is protections for trans people are being eroded and if we "stop yapping about it" the worse it will get and the freer people will feel to discriminate. We can't be silent because our lives LITERALLY DEPEND ON IT.

Please provide any statistics that trans people are victims of violent crime (excluding domestic partner (generally also trans-identifying partners) and sex-worker violence) at a higher rate than afabs. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:When our nation expanded gay rights-- and I was an early adopter to this notion-- it was because I thought it would be good for families. Gay people could have marriages, kids, and normal lives. In the past couple years, this has changed into an overtly "sexual revolution" message that places an emphasis on personal sexual fulfillment rather than emphasizing the importance of family unity. I think this is harmful to society, and while we should certainly tolerate people who choose to live promiscuous, self-indulgent lifestyles (straight or gay), this shouldn't be celebrated and promoted in the form of state sponsored parades with public nudity or otherwise salacious dress, books in public schools for children, and the White House declaring this lifestyle the "bravest and most courageous." We don't celebrate families in this way, and raising a family is both difficult and essential for society. I think using taxpayer money to promote sexual promiscuity is a step too far and too "Brave New World" ("promiscuity is a citizen's duty"-- literal quote from the book). One way to destroy a culture is to weaken personal relationships, and I am highly suspicious of the intent behind the assault on families (again, gay or straight) and the extreme emphasis on individual sexual gratification as the ultimate good. Biden's recent comments about how all kids are everyone's kids is, again, straight out of Brave New World ("everyone belongs to everyone"). Just like when you prioritize everything, nothing is a priority-- when you make everyone belong to everyone, then no one belongs to anyone. As they say, when people show you who they are- believe them. We all saw them disrobe in front of the white house, in a crowd of likeminded revolutionaries, and shake their bare chests on a video.
In front of Biden, the secret service, etc. I believe them; they intend to destroy our culture and our values by debasing what we used to find important (the American dream) and replace it with a new priority of sexuality as the supreme value. In other words, to me, this isn't about being gay or being straight. It's about an insidious attempt to destroy our society from the inside out in order to gain control. So, what limits do I want on gay people? None. What limits do I want on l the government promoting gender confusion, while also baking in parental alienation as an actual policy? Limits on the use of elected positions to promote sexual promiscuity? I want total cessation of this.

You make a valid point, and I love your literary references, but I think you're following a red herring.

Right now the liberal message is to work on loving all peoples, in all their glorious differences. Families are the nucleus of society and I agree that raising kids in stable parental homes requires a lot of thought, care and effort. But I don't think the current sexual identity revolution in the USA will hinder people from forming a family nucleus and raising children. The promiscuity you see on display, which is abhorrent to many (of all orientations and political leanings) is not representative of the movement as a whole. Likewise, some hastily written, virtue signaling books on sex pushed on kids just follows the modern trend of writing drivel for children and passing it off as literature - most contemporary novels for kids aren't exactly well-written, and caters to the lowest denominator of present-verb, non-stop action, with the simplest sentence structure and least rich vocab possible.

I think modern culture is certainly racing to the bottom, and that celebrating promiscuity is just a small part of a disturbing whole that prizes short attention span, lack of critical thinking and tribal echo chambers. Social media is a big perpetrator of these crimes against human intellect.

But passing laws to ban certain groups from certain bathrooms, ban books from libraries (we'd need to ban practically all of them if we're going for poor writing!), or deny medical and surgical care for extremely vulnerable young people who are certain they belong to another gender and may commit suicide if they are forced to live in a body that is not their own... that's just stupid and cruel.

We need to take a giant step back and encourage a love of learning, letters and science. It's the only way to have a society that can recognize bullshit and apply humane ideals.

Agree a lot, but check out suicide stats before and after affirming medical care. Surprised me!

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Anonymous wrote:When our nation expanded gay rights-- and I was an early adopter to this notion-- it was because I thought it would be good for families. Gay people could have marriages, kids, and normal lives. In the past couple years, this has changed into an overtly "sexual revolution" message that places an emphasis on personal sexual fulfillment rather than emphasizing the importance of family unity. I think this is harmful to society, and while we should certainly tolerate people who choose to live promiscuous, self-indulgent lifestyles (straight or gay), this shouldn't be celebrated and promoted in the form of state sponsored parades with public nudity or otherwise salacious dress, books in public schools for children, and the White House declaring this lifestyle the "bravest and most courageous." We don't celebrate families in this way, and raising a family is both difficult and essential for society. I think using taxpayer money to promote sexual promiscuity is a step too far and too "Brave New World" ("promiscuity is a citizen's duty"-- literal quote from the book). One way to destroy a culture is to weaken personal relationships, and I am highly suspicious of the intent behind the assault on families (again, gay or straight) and the extreme emphasis on individual sexual gratification as the ultimate good. Biden's recent comments about how all kids are everyone's kids is, again, straight out of Brave New World ("everyone belongs to everyone"). Just like when you prioritize everything, nothing is a priority-- when you make everyone belong to everyone, then no one belongs to anyone. As they say, when people show you who they are- believe them. We all saw them disrobe in front of the white house, in a crowd of likeminded revolutionaries, and shake their bare chests on a video.
In front of Biden, the secret service, etc. I believe them; they intend to destroy our culture and our values by debasing what we used to find important (the American dream) and replace it with a new priority of sexuality as the supreme value. In other words, to me, this isn't about being gay or being straight. It's about an insidious attempt to destroy our society from the inside out in order to gain control. So, what limits do I want on gay people? None. What limits do I want on l the government promoting gender confusion, while also baking in parental alienation as an actual policy? Limits on the use of elected positions to promote sexual promiscuity? I want total cessation of this.

Well said. I have been thinking about that book a lot lately.

I 100% support equal rights for all people. But like others above said, I think most people are tired of hearing people yap about it all the time. I think sadly for the LGBT community, the extremists in their community are hurting them.

Do you know why people are "yapping about it all the time?" Because trans people are dying! A trans acquaintance of mine just had his drink spiked with Fentanyl at a random bar and he is now in the hospital with kidney failure.

"That's an isolated incident. It's not happening on a large scale " Right?

The thing is protections for trans people are being eroded and if we "stop yapping about it" the worse it will get and the freer people will feel to discriminate. We can't be silent because our lives LITERALLY DEPEND ON IT.

Please provide any statistics that trans people are victims of violent crime (excluding domestic partner (generally also trans-identifying partners) and sex-worker violence) at a higher rate than afabs. Thanks!

DP. I have no idea what afabs means (were you trying to type Arabs???).

But here is an easily findable stastistic:

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime

Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law. In addition, households with a transgender person had higher rates of property victimization than cisgender households.

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That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Well said

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

Or previous generations suppressed themselves more.

Now LGBT accepted, then nothing stopping from identifying as true self. No social prohibition from declaring it loud and proud. Some asian country is very LGBTQIAS2+ friendly, but do not have 20% population. It may cause demographic collapse, but too many people anyways in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

Or previous generations suppressed themselves more.

No, not really. Maybe that makes you feel better but that's not it.

Where's your proof that older generations did not suppress their sexuality more than younger generations do. I ask as the grandchild of a man who was clearly gay but never acknowledged it, so this interests me.

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Anonymous wrote:I know OP was asking for a bit more analysis though

There have always been gay people and if they want to get married and old and bored together they are more than welcome as far as I’m concerned

There are no doubt some people who are genuinely “trans” but it’s a psych condition to be managed, not a brave new philosophy to be celebrated - and there is quite obviously a social contagion element to it, particularly where tween/teen girls are concerned, so I think we as a society should tread VERY lightly and slowly and cautiously in medicalizing it

My opinion

+1. Well said. I also draw the line at threats to women and children. I vehemently object to laws that allow men to use women's restrooms and invade female spaces like locker rooms and sorority houses. If you're born male, then no competing in female sports because you "feel" a certain way. That's misogynistic in this new progressive way where the libs discriminate against certain groups under the guise of protecting other groups who vote their way. I also support laws preventing teaching children in K-3rd grades about stuff like being trans. DeSantis got that right.

I'm pretty conservative because the only thing that I support is equal marriage laws. I agree that women should be allowed to marry women and men allowed to marry men, and receive the same healthcare and tax benefits as everyone else. That part is only fair. I've felt this way for decades and actually demonstrated for these rights. So I guess this is how far I want LGBTQ rights rolled back.

So if you have a trans man who really presents like a biological man to most people who can't tell that it is a trans man, you think that trans man should use the women's bathroom because they are chromosomally XX? Tell us how you would feel if that trans man used your bathroom?

I’d feel fine because I know the crime statistics regarding TIFs.

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Anonymous wrote:Your rights end where mine begin. So lesbians don’t need to be down with girl dick, afabs shouldn’t be compelled to shared unclothed spaces with amabs, etc. that’s all I’ve got.

but afabs should be compelled to share unclothed space with afabs regardless of orientation? Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrat here

I’ve worked for gay candidates in the past. They were great. They weren’t in your face about being gay.

The trans thing is too much. Pride has gone way over the top

What is "the trans thing", pray tell?

The guy who bared his breasts at the White House.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

Or previous generations suppressed themselves more.

Now LGBT accepted, then nothing stopping from identifying as true self. No social prohibition from declaring it loud and proud. Some asian country is very LGBTQIAS2+ friendly, but do not have 20% population. It may cause demographic collapse, but too many people anyways in the world.

Do conservative evangelical or fundamentalist churches and conservative Muslim congregations accept and embrace LGBTQ communities?

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious what the ultimate objective of the DeSantis wing is regarding LGBTQ people. Are you really a libertarian "I don't care what consenting adults do" as long as it isn't discussed in the school system? Or do you think that the LGBTQ lifestyle itself is detrimental to national identity? Are you in favor of abolishing the right to gay marriage? Or making homosexuality a crime? It does feel that something changed recently and this is the first Pride month since the late 1990's where corporations and local governments seem to be afraid to wave the rainbow flag.

Think this is a poor reading of things. Almost no one is against "the gays." Almost everyone accepts gay marriage, gay relationships, two mommies or two daddies, gay children, rainbow flags, tolerance, non-discrimition etc etc etc. That issue is settled

What people are bothered by is the "trans issue." Human beings have been around for 300,000 years. Gender fluidity is a very novel concept and the vast majority of people don't buy it. While gender dysmorphia has always existed, people are really uncomfortable being told their tomboy girl or their effeminate boy is not a real boy or girl. And they need to transition and take on a lifetime of medical intervention. Most parents don't think this is a healthy way of dealing with the turbulence of adolescence. They think that what it means to be a boy or girl should be very expansive. If you're not a Barbie or a Jock or you're attracted to people of the same gender, it shouldn't be an issue.

But there seems to be a lot of pressure in certain zip codes that if you don't conform to gender stereotypes there's something wrong with you. And now there's an entire industry that will swoop in and take advantage of it - for financial, ideological, or political reasons

That's what bothers people. It's not LGBQ. It's the T.

That's the same thing in different wrapping paper. I was there when the issue wasn't grown adults living in monogamous gay relationships, it was the CHILDREN. We can't expose the CHILDREN to gay marriage, because it will confuse them/influence them/damage them.

Now it's transgenderism. Which is a thing that exists and has existed through known history. Just like gay people. And somehow you didn't end up gay or trans. Trust your kids to find their way, too. Even if they (gasp!) see a person in a dress using the women's restroom who they think might have a Y chromosome.

Gen Z had the higher exposure to LGBT in public than earlier generation. Somehow they ended up more gay and trans.

Or previous generations suppressed themselves more.

Which leads to suicide, right? That's why we should support all this, because we can save lives through suicide. I'm sure if you look it up, you'll see graphs showing suicide and mental illness making sharp declines as we have embraced this new reality. Right? Can someone show me those graphs of all the suppressed people from 10, 20, 30 years ago killing themselves because they were men living inside women's bodies or vice versa? And how now this new treatment embrace of trans youth is causing the lowest levels of suicide in decades. Someone get those youth suicide graphs and we can settle this once and for all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Democrat here

I’ve worked for gay candidates in the past. They were great. They weren’t in your face about being gay.

The trans thing is too much. Pride has gone way over the top

What is "the trans thing", pray tell?

The guy who bared his breasts at the White House.

But you'd be cool with that person doing it at the beach, right? Because you see that person as a man and men can bare their breasts at the beach. Want to make sure you are totally fine with that.