Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

Don’t think anyone has argued the sale of her masters was illegal. She wanted to buy them and wasn’t given a fair opportunity. How would you feel if your mentor—someone you professed to love and who supposedly respected you—refused to sell you your work at market price? It’s understandable why she was upset and felt wronged.

I must admit, i was laughing out loud when reading your post. With incredibly dense fans of hers like you, swift has nothing to worry about . Could you define market price ? Please don't bother because there's no legal definition of market price and only an incredibly entitled, privileged weirdo would be bold enough to think she can dictate the price of something she doesn't own. The audacity . Feeling wronged and being wronged are two totally different things .

I would define it as the price Scooter Braun paid. Seems obvious to me. How is that difficult for your to understand??

A percentage of the price scooter braun paid went into swift's father pockets.

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

Don’t think anyone has argued the sale of her masters was illegal. She wanted to buy them and wasn’t given a fair opportunity. How would you feel if your mentor—someone you professed to love and who supposedly respected you—refused to sell you your work at market price? It’s understandable why she was upset and felt wronged.

I must admit, i was laughing out loud when reading your post. With incredibly dense fans of hers like you, swift has nothing to worry about . Could you define market price ? Please don't bother because there's no legal definition of market price and only an incredibly entitled, privileged weirdo would be bold enough to think she can dictate the price of something she doesn't own. The audacity . Feeling wronged and being wronged are two totally different things .

I would define it as the price Scooter Braun paid. Seems obvious to me. How is that difficult for your to understand??

A percentage of the price scooter braun paid went into swift's father pockets.

I don’t know if that’s true but even if that is, I don’t see how it’s relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Did you even read the post you’re responding to? Swift could personally imprison Trump and all men guilty of assault and you’d still criticize her. Find a new hobby.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Did you even read the post you’re responding to? Swift could personally imprison Trump and all men guilty of assault and you’d still criticize her. Find a new hobby.

....or she could continuously omit facts to make herself the perpetual victim and you'll blindly follow her like the enthralled cult member you are. Yes! I did read the post i was responding to.

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Anonymous wrote:You do not know the specific facts regarding the masters and who said what when between big machine, TS people, scooter, etc. You just don't.

TS was at teenager about to accept an award live in front of an audience when then established superstar Kanye West stormed the stage, tried to grab the trophy from her and insisted that Be' (another established superstar) deserved the award.

A jury agreed that TS's was sexually assaulted when a radio host grabbed her bare ass.

Those things happened.

Like most people in cult-like situations, the denial is always thick. Perhaps, you could explain to us why swift never took legal action against her former label and the buyers of her catalog if she thought her rights were violated . *eye roll*. Just own up to your ignorance and stop with the petulant nonsense. You come across as Qanon-esque.

Don’t think anyone has argued the sale of her masters was illegal. She wanted to buy them and wasn’t given a fair opportunity. How would you feel if your mentor—someone you professed to love and who supposedly respected you—refused to sell you your work at market price? It’s understandable why she was upset and felt wronged.

I must admit, i was laughing out loud when reading your post. With incredibly dense fans of hers like you, swift has nothing to worry about . Could you define market price ? Please don't bother because there's no legal definition of market price and only an incredibly entitled, privileged weirdo would be bold enough to think she can dictate the price of something she doesn't own. The audacity . Feeling wronged and being wronged are two totally different things .

I would define it as the price Scooter Braun paid. Seems obvious to me. How is that difficult for your to understand??

A percentage of the price scooter braun paid went into swift's father pockets.

I don’t know if that’s true but even if that is, I don’t see how it’s relevant.

You dont know if thats true because you don't want to know. It doesn't fit into the victimhood syndrome you've bought into. Case in point: The fact that you don't see how her father being a stakeholder in the label that was sold doesn't align with her claims of being taken off guard by news of the sale. Her own genitor pocketed money and there's no indication that they're estranged. But, carry on.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

It doesn’t. I can name maybe one TS song total (“Shake it off”) and I opened this thread for the same reason you did. All I found was a nutcase OP who sounds like a borderline stalker.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

Does it at least have a sign: "Madonna of the Rocks (Leonardo's Version)"?

Don't get me started on those "Old Masters" who just painted portraits of rich people and Bible scenes.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

It doesn’t. I can name maybe one TS song total (“Shake it off”) and I opened this thread for the same reason you did. All I found was a nutcase OP who sounds like a borderline stalker.

There are a few stalkers on here. The essays. Phew.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

I'm enjoying your inhinged meltdown.keep at it.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

Does it at least have a sign: "Madonna of the Rocks (Leonardo's Version)"?

Don't get me started on those "Old Masters" who just painted portraits of rich people and Bible scenes.

Music master and old masters within the context of painting are two totally different things. You swift fans can't help but demonstrate how uncultured you are.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me laugh how everyone here who thinks TS is soooo terrible is not able to produce an answer of what music they think is good.

OK, I will: Patsy Cline. Crazy, Walkin' after midnight.

She is great-- but I don't think she wrote those songs-- I think Willie Nelson wrote Crazy?

She didn't write Walkin either.

Thanks!

I wasn't much of a TS fan, but then I listened to Folklore and it just wrecked me. Loved Evermore too. I don't see how someone can claim she is "one-note"-- Bad Blood vs. Great American Dynasty? Blank Space vs. Mirrorball? I feel like TS has very much evolved. I look forward to seeing what comes next for her.

As or non-music stuff-- if she were more politically active, then you haters would dis her for that -- "How dare these entertainers spout for about stuff they don't know anything about?" I think keeping her political commentary limited to her state is both smart and, not for nothing, shows a bit of modesty. I would much rather she spend her time writing songs like "You Need to Calm Down" (such a fun video!) than attempting to become a super politically aware and confident person. I mean some day maybe that wil be her, but for now, go ahead and focus on the music and entertainment and let us not so talented folks try to work out the politics!

Regarding the master-- rather than focus on the fact that other musicians are also abused by the system, why not appluad her for using her power and reasorces to attempt to dismantle a system that is largely unfair to creative people? Similarly, why not applaud her for being a strong role model and testifying against the man that sexually assaulter her? Even if it wasn't as major a sexual assault as what has happened to other, isn't it better for those victims and for society in general if people with wealth and power like TS actually do that?


And maybe there are songs in the past that she wrote that placed her as a victim, but I'm more familiar with Champagne Problems which absolutely frames the woman as the one that jilts the guy.

- A singer not owning their masters is NOT abuse

- Even if she wanted to, she can't be overtly political because her fan base is closer to trumpism than say, Lady gaga or Beyoncé. They would desert her. She and her handlers spent enormous time building this squeaky clean image that's laser tailored for a certain segment of white america .

-Scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country. You'd know this if you were so blinded by your idolatry.

Sure scores of women testify against their abusers every day in this country but scores more don't. They siliently put up with the abuse.

How many people who have been abused they way she was have actually filed charges? I'd be shocked if it was more than 1%. A similar thing happened to me and it didn't even occur to me to press charges. Maybe (hopefully) that is changing and more women that have that level of abuse thrown at them are taking action against the abuser-- but if so, I think that is in part thanks to women like TS that literally take the stand against it. I struggle to see how you say she is playing the victim when she is actually taking action against the person that wronged her. She is more victor than victim.

I'm not blinded by idolatry-- the whole reason I opened this thread is because I genuinely thought that perhaps she is awful and went into this with an open mind to hear the evidence. So what is the evidence that she is awful?

She outflanked/outsmarted a wealthy, older business man by re-recording her older songs to undercut his ownership? Sounds badass to me.

She pressed charges against a guy that sexually assaulted her even though lots of other women also take the stand against abusers/lots of other women have experienced more severe levels of sexual assault? Umm . . . what the hell???

She isn't as talented as lots of other people? OK, maybe so, but how does that make her "awful"?

If scores of women testify against their abusers and scores dont, it doesnt mak swift special except to you.
She didn't outflank/outsmart anybody. There's no such thing as two masters, you'd know this if you knew anything about art. Alas, like a typical cult member you're regurgitating her lies that you now hold for sacred truths. Imagine repainting the mona lisa and insisting that its the original even if not long ago, you were crying about not owning the ORIGINAL. Your ignorance is entertaining.

Exactly how I feel about the National Gallery’s Madonna of the Rocks. It’s not the ORIGINAL and therefore not AN original piece of art worthy of display in a prominent museum. Leonardo was trash and his fans a cult. The repainting is a piece of garbage that should be burned.

Does it at least have a sign: "Madonna of the Rocks (Leonardo's Version)"?

Don't get me started on those "Old Masters" who just painted portraits of rich people and Bible scenes.

Music master and old masters within the context of painting are two totally different things. You swift fans can't help but demonstrate how uncultured you are.

(You’re being trolled and apparently do not know).