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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

D&Cs pre-2022 were not medical procedures?

We are talking about schools and transgender issues and medical procedures related to that. Schools don't have anything to do with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

D&Cs pre-2022 were not medical procedures?

We are talking about schools and transgender issues and medical procedures related to that. Schools don't have anything to do with this.

Sure but this bill being protested relates to parents rights not just about LGBTQ+ identity in schools. So the fact that medical consultations in and out of school (which may include a suggestion to go to planned parenthood to get a D&C, maybe bottom/top surgery will also be on the table) is relevant.

[Anonymous]

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

In Virginia, minors have a lot of leeway to do things without their parents' permission, so the PP is not making up demons and then fighting them.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title54.1/chapter29/section54.1-2969/ has the list of everything a minor can do without their parent's permission:

E. A minor shall be deemed an adult for the purpose of consenting to:

1. Medical or health services needed to determine the presence of or to treat venereal disease or any infectious or contagious disease that the State Board of Health requires to be reported;

2. Medical or health services required in case of birth control, pregnancy or family planning except for the purposes of sexual sterilization;

3. Medical or health services needed in the case of outpatient care, treatment or rehabilitation for substance abuse as defined in § 37.2-100; or

4. Medical or health services needed in the case of outpatient care, treatment or rehabilitation for mental illness or emotional disturbance.

A minor shall also be deemed an adult for the purpose of accessing or authorizing the disclosure of medical records related to subdivisions 1 through 4.

[Anonymous]

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I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

In Virginia, minors have a lot of leeway to do things without their parents' permission, so the PP is not making up demons and then fighting them.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title54.1/chapter29/section54.1-2969/ has the list of everything a minor can do without their parent's permission:

E. A minor shall be deemed an adult for the purpose of consenting to:

1. Medical or health services needed to determine the presence of or to treat venereal disease or any infectious or contagious disease that the State Board of Health requires to be reported;

2. Medical or health services required in case of birth control, pregnancy or family planning except for the purposes of sexual sterilization;

3. Medical or health services needed in the case of outpatient care, treatment or rehabilitation for substance abuse as defined in § 37.2-100; or

4. Medical or health services needed in the case of outpatient care, treatment or rehabilitation for mental illness or emotional disturbance.

A minor shall also be deemed an adult for the purpose of accessing or authorizing the disclosure of medical records related to subdivisions 1 through 4.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

I don’t understand your response at all. My point is that schools should not act as therapists and keep information from parents. Therefore I am in favor of this new policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

I don’t understand your response at all. My point is that schools should not act as therapists and keep information from parents. Therefore I am in favor of this new policy.

But receiving school counseling is like seeing a therapist. The reason therapists don’t share information with parents is to encourage children to be honest and forthcoming about their issues. If a school therapist is going to breach that agreement, then there is no point for a child to see a school therapist if s/he can’t trust their conversation will be done in confidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I really do not understand the bathroom thing. I have used mens rooms in the past because the ladies line was to long. My father said He would never want his daughters (me) forced to use a bathroom with a person assigned male at birth. i told him I did not care. If someone is going to rape, they are going to rape regardless of if they are "allowed" in the womens room. I mean I think the bigger issue is rapists and not the point of allowing people to pee in private where they are comfortable

Perhaps your dad does read the news?

1. https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2021/10/skirt-wearing-male-student-is-found-guilty-of-raping-a-15-year-old-girl-in-a-school-bathroom-in-loudoun-county-virginia/
2. https://www.binary.org.au/female_inmate_pregnant_to_trans_criminal

3. https://mynorthwest.com/3445157/dori-corrections-guard-details-rape-biologically-male-prisoners-transgender-inmate/

4. https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/trans-prisoner-who-impregnated-two-women-is-psychopath/

5. https://www.corrections1.com/transgender-inmates/articles/doc-2-women-at-nj-prison-pregnant-after-consensual-sex-between-inmates-MayIqHycHqdm9KXr/

6. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want my kid leading a double life. If he or she is presenting as a different sex at school than at home, that points to deeper mental issues and I would want to know about it. Same with any other type of illness, physical or mental.

Oh there are deep mental issues, but not with your kid.

DP, but I agree with this poster. This is something I would absolutely want to know about, and I do sincerely believe that there are other things going on with most of these kids. The “trans” is a symptom, not the cause. And I am saying this as in insider/member of the LGBTQ community who has spent a lot of time around trans kids/teens and adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

Consideration should also be given to overnight school sponsored trips where students room together, many times even share beds. Also, how about chaperones who benefit from this gender accommodation? Is everyone comfortable with an adult who may be biological male loading with girls? The thing is, under the current policy there is no obligation to notify the other parents involved about these type of accommodations. On the other hand, how about the safety of a girl who identifies as a boy? Do we really believe it is in the best interest and truly safe for this trans student to sleep in the same room or share bathrooms with boys and male chaperones, even when the parents and school officials are Ok. with it?

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Anonymous wrote:I really do not understand the bathroom thing. I have used mens rooms in the past because the ladies line was to long. My father said He would never want his daughters (me) forced to use a bathroom with a person assigned male at birth. i told him I did not care. If someone is going to rape, they are going to rape regardless of if they are "allowed" in the womens room. I mean I think the bigger issue is rapists and not the point of allowing people to pee in private where they are comfortable

Perhaps your dad does read the news?

1. https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2021/10/skirt-wearing-male-student-is-found-guilty-of-raping-a-15-year-old-girl-in-a-school-bathroom-in-loudoun-county-virginia/
2. https://www.binary.org.au/female_inmate_pregnant_to_trans_criminal

3. https://mynorthwest.com/3445157/dori-corrections-guard-details-rape-biologically-male-prisoners-transgender-inmate/

4. https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/trans-prisoner-who-impregnated-two-women-is-psychopath/

5. https://www.corrections1.com/transgender-inmates/articles/doc-2-women-at-nj-prison-pregnant-after-consensual-sex-between-inmates-MayIqHycHqdm9KXr/

6. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

LOL. Now you’re “concerned” about inmates too?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

https://www.city-journal.org/transgender-identifying-adolescents-threats-to-parental-rights

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

I don’t understand your response at all. My point is that schools should not act as therapists and keep information from parents. Therefore I am in favor of this new policy.

But receiving school counseling is like seeing a therapist. The reason therapists don’t share information with parents is to encourage children to be honest and forthcoming about their issues. If a school therapist is going to breach that agreement, then there is no point for a child to see a school therapist if s/he can’t trust their conversation will be done in confidence.

And the counselors are there **for the kids**.

They aren’t responsible for your bad family relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does FCPS want this? Does FCPS really care about girls, who will be the ones most inconvenienced (putting it mildly) with boys in their bathrooms or locker rooms? Is there nobody who sees dangers of such kind of policies?

stop watching FOX NEWs that isn't happening

I agree it doesn’t seem prevalent but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t or won’t happen. Recall the situation with the kid in LCPS last(?) year. That was real, and very confusing.

The situation in LCPS was two kids who had an ongoing consensual sexual relationship which then turned non-consensual at one point. One of the kids was gender non-conforming (not sure if the other was). But it was partner-rape, not like the kid was a predator in the bathroom--this couple regularly met up with each other for sex in multiple places including in the school bathroom, like heterosexual, gender-conforming kids sometimes do too regardless of school policy. It's a partner-rape situation that was handled poorly by the school like many partner-rape situations are regardless if the kids are gay, straight, transgender or cis gender and the school policies should be investigated for how they handle partner/date rape, not how they handle bathrooms.

But that isn’t the whole story — the one student was transferred to another school after the incident was attempted or completed at the previous school. Again probably a one off story, but it did stoke concerns about parents being kept in the dark.

The situation is not as black and white as people want to believe. Imagine going into a parent-teacher type meeting. Maybe teachers only know a student by the student’s new identity and the parents are unaware of this new identity.

The new sex in the city provides a imperfectly perfect example of this type of situation involving Charlotte’s younger child.

Parents are blanketedly being cast in role if the can’t be trusted category, when at the end of the day they are responsible for them. In some ways you can draw parallels between what’s happening with the overturning of abortion and women’s rights. In this case parents can’t be trusted to do what’s best for their kids.

This is just not true. Teachers just don't want to be in the role of monitoring and reporting. Putting teachers in this role damages the relationships they have with students around so many issues. Kids talk and write about their friendships in class, about things they are worried about etc. If the teacher is perceived as someone who can constantly be tapped for info about their lives, they will just shut up about it. Teachers currently monitor and report abuse/danger/rule-breaking. Adding more to that is a burden and unfair--especially since there is no evidence that using another name is harmful. You might not want your kid to play around with names and pronouns, but in my view you have no right to force others to monitor and report that to you.

Parents need to step up and be involved in their kids' lives, not force others to inform on them.

Sorry, I disagree. I see teachers also being in a difficult position, but when parents are deliberately kept out of the conversations about their own child then they are cast as the bad guys. Even if kids have good relationships with their parents, coming out can be hard. But letting parents be the last to know is not good. There may be other problems at home that could be alleviated if the parents are informed. I’m not saying schools need to do a check every day on every students identity. However, if a student is receiving for example counseling services through school about this or other mental/physical/social issues, the parents need to be informed.

I'm the PP--I agree students that students who receive school counseling on an issue should have their parents informed (though I do understand that this then can be a deterrent to seeking counseling) because they are experiencing the need for support. I'm disagreeing with asking teachers to report things like name changes/social behaviors etc. to parents for kids who have not sought counseling for the issue.

I’m the PP — I think we agree far more than we may disagree.

You do know that when a child sees a therapist, their parents are not informed of the content of those conversations. parents are only informed if there is something they need to be aware of, such as suicidal thoughts. But otherwise, those conversations are confidential.

I am aware, and I’m not 100% on board with that. If my child is having issues, I need to know in order to find support for them and our family. My minor children cannot get piercings or tattoos without parental consent, but they can have medical consultations and procedures done behind my back. It doesn’t make sense.

Moreover, schools are not therapists. No need for hiding info.

Medical procedures are not done without parental consent for minors. What are you talking about? You are literally making up demons and then fighting them.

https://www.city-journal.org/transgender-identifying-adolescents-threats-to-parental-rights

Abigail Shrier is a bigoted anti-trans activist who notoriously lacks data/facts to support her views. Her work is basically anti-trans propaganda.

What was the kid’s story? The school’s? This extremely biased account isn’t worth squat.

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Anonymous wrote:Very low participation at our school. Why don’t parents listen to kids? They aren’t the ones against the Governors policy. If you actually read it, it is a pretty good policy. The kids see that.

I agree.

The kids I know who have actually read Youngkins policy went from being very outraged based of headlines, to "why is everyone so upset over this new policy."

Our school also had very low participation at both the high school and the middle school.

Our school had low participation too. Less than 1%. My son didn’t even mention or seem to know about the walkout. Thank God. I’m now talking to him about not leaving school for these ridiculous walkouts.

My kid who completely supports transgender issues and hates the policy didn't walk about because she was worried she would get into trouble. I told her it is her decision and I would support her either way.

My kid too!

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Amazing the amount of ignorance from so many parents in our school community. It makes me wonder why they feel so offended by trans kids, so much so to support these grotesque policies. I wonder how much their children trust them, how welcomed and loved they feel at home… a child who feels loved, validated, and safe will tell you all you need to know. This grotesque policy will not (at all, ever!) make your kid closer to you. You will continue to not have control or closeness to your child, don’t kid yourself.