Which universities have gone DOWN in stature over the years?

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There a relief having kids and relatives who’ve graduated from college and have good, decent-paying jobs and watching you status-obsessed cretins wake up every day to fight your low-gratification and lower-reward battles.

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Nobody wants to freeze their a*** off in the NE anymore. In the south people have a concept of manners and fashion and don’t dress like frumpy vagrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten. The southern universities are recruiting smart out of state kids very aggressively and it's working.

False.

NP. In what way is that false?

It is not false, it is echoed throughout this thread. Colleges rising in stature are on the coasts or in the warm clime south. While colleges losing prestige frequently tend to be cold, stagnant regions, notably the middle west. In Michigan, it was just reported by the Detroit News that a dozen of their public universities have lost upwards of 40% of their students — "plummeting enrollment" fueled by brain drain. From October to April, which is about 90% of the school year, the upper middle west is so miserable and grey. With the internet and social media, teens see their peers having fun in the sun and living in bustling regions, who the heck wants to wear a parka to class all school year in a region you have to flee after graduation? Like, what's the point? Logical people go to college in a region or side of the country they see themselves beginning a career in after college.

https://www.mlive.com/weather/2022/04/numbers-show-just-how-cloudy-it-has-been-in-michigan.html

Name one Big Ten flagship that has lost 40% of its enrollment or has plummeting enrollment.

Nobody said anything about those. Those aren’t the only type of colleges that exist, you know.

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Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten.

Yeah but then they have to go to “Ole Miss”

For certain southern kids, going to an SEC school and joining a top frat or sorority is very much the goal.

I’d go almost anywhere for a full ride, and Ole Miss offers full rides to top students.

It's fine to take the deal, but it will make it harder for your child to get into any graduate program except business/law school. Send them to VT or UMD if they have real ambitions.

What a dumb comment? Have you ever been to a big city in the South? You know, the cities where everyone is moving these days? They are run by frat gods from SEC schools, most of whom could've gone to a school like UMD if they'd wanted. Instead, they chose four years of better weather and hotter coeds while still setting themselves up for post-college success. Get out of your ACELA bubble.

Interesting. How did the families of the AFFLUENT FRAT GODS get their money?

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Anonymous wrote:Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten. The southern universities are recruiting smart out of state kids very aggressively and it's working.

False.

NP. In what way is that false?

It is not false, it is echoed throughout this thread. Colleges rising in stature are on the coasts or in the warm clime south. While colleges losing prestige frequently tend to be cold, stagnant regions, notably the middle west. In Michigan, it was just reported by the Detroit News that a dozen of their public universities have lost upwards of 40% of their students — "plummeting enrollment" fueled by brain drain. From October to April, which is about 90% of the school year, the upper middle west is so miserable and grey. With the internet and social media, teens see their peers having fun in the sun and living in bustling regions, who the heck wants to wear a parka to class all school year in a region you have to flee after graduation? Like, what's the point? Logical people go to college in a region or side of the country they see themselves beginning a career in after college.

https://www.mlive.com/weather/2022/04/numbers-show-just-how-cloudy-it-has-been-in-michigan.html

Name one Big Ten flagship that has lost 40% of its enrollment or has plummeting enrollment.

Nobody said anything about those. Those aren’t the only type of colleges that exist, you know.

yeah someone did-

Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten.

Yeah but then they have to go to “Ole Miss”

For certain southern kids, going to an SEC school and joining a top frat or sorority is very much the goal.

I’d go almost anywhere for a full ride, and Ole Miss offers full rides to top students.

It's fine to take the deal, but it will make it harder for your child to get into any graduate program except business/law school. Send them to VT or UMD if they have real ambitions.

What a dumb comment? Have you ever been to a big city in the South? You know, the cities where everyone is moving these days? They are run by frat gods from SEC schools, most of whom could've gone to a school like UMD if they'd wanted. Instead, they chose four years of better weather and hotter coeds while still setting themselves up for post-college success. Get out of your ACELA bubble.

Interesting. How did the families of the AFFLUENT FRAT GODS get their money?

Agriculture.

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Anonymous wrote:Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten. The southern universities are recruiting smart out of state kids very aggressively and it's working.

False.

NP. In what way is that false?

It is not false, it is echoed throughout this thread. Colleges rising in stature are on the coasts or in the warm clime south. While colleges losing prestige frequently tend to be cold, stagnant regions, notably the middle west. In Michigan, it was just reported by the Detroit News that a dozen of their public universities have lost upwards of 40% of their students — "plummeting enrollment" fueled by brain drain. From October to April, which is about 90% of the school year, the upper middle west is so miserable and grey. With the internet and social media, teens see their peers having fun in the sun and living in bustling regions, who the heck wants to wear a parka to class all school year in a region you have to flee after graduation? Like, what's the point? Logical people go to college in a region or side of the country they see themselves beginning a career in after college.

https://www.mlive.com/weather/2022/04/numbers-show-just-how-cloudy-it-has-been-in-michigan.html

Name one Big Ten flagship that has lost 40% of its enrollment or has plummeting enrollment.

Nobody said anything about those. Those aren’t the only type of colleges that exist, you know.

yeah someone did-

Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten.

Yeah but then they have to go to “Ole Miss”

For certain southern kids, going to an SEC school and joining a top frat or sorority is very much the goal.

I’d go almost anywhere for a full ride, and Ole Miss offers full rides to top students.

Um, does anyone really think that Mississippi or Alabama is a "bustling" region of the country with good career prospects? I mean, no harm intended, but both those states rank at the bottom in terms of educational level, poverty, health care, etc. No thanks.

If you’re a smart kid in Kansas who gets offered full tuition to Bama or a full ride to Ole Miss, you would be foolish not to take it. And tons of kids are taking it. They have excellent cost of living as well. Sorry you don’t understand that.

Parts of Arkansas are lovely due to the presence of Walmart HQ.

No one said Alabama and Mississippi don't have a low cost of living or are physically unattractive. But talented college graduates are looking way beyond those things in looking where to start a career. I highly doubt top grads from Ole Miss, from example -- especially if they are from the DMV area -- are flocking to Jackson, MS or Bentonville, Arkansas, but rather to Atlanta or Nashville IF they even decided to stick to the South. The rankings and statistics speak from themselves. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

Atlanta... Nashville... Dallas... Houston... Austin... New Orleans... Miami... Tampa... Charlotte... the fastest growing cities in the nation.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants to freeze their a*** off in the NE anymore. In the south people have a concept of manners and fashion and don’t dress like frumpy vagrants.

Pretty much. The auto and industrial heyday of the rust belt was 80 years ago. People can't move away from that region fast enough, so why go to college there? Maybe it's interesting for an anthropology or public health major who wants to field study the opioid crisis. idk

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If money is no object I'd rather go to USC than Michigan or Northwestern. Or get tens of thousands of merit awards to go to Alabama over Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern. Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med. He's in medical school now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086403/Student-accepted-Ivy-League-school-decides-University-Alabama-instead.html

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Anonymous wrote:If money is no object I'd rather go to USC than Michigan or Northwestern. Or get tens of thousands of merit awards to go to Alabama over Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern. Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med. He's in medical school now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086403/Student-accepted-Ivy-League-school-decides-University-Alabama-instead.html

There’s no way we can afford OOS tuition or it’s private equivalent anywhere so for us it’s either massive merit aid, instate schools or NoVa cc.

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Anonymous wrote:If money is no object I'd rather go to USC than Michigan or Northwestern. Or get tens of thousands of merit awards to go to Alabama over Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern. Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med. He's in medical school now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086403/Student-accepted-Ivy-League-school-decides-University-Alabama-instead.html

If anyone was wondering, he’ll graduate next May from Columbia Medical School.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants to freeze their a*** off in the NE anymore. In the south people have a concept of manners and fashion and don’t dress like frumpy vagrants.

Pretty much. The auto and industrial heyday of the rust belt was 80 years ago. People can't move away from that region fast enough, so why go to college there? Maybe it's interesting for an anthropology or public health major who wants to field study the opioid crisis. idk

Southerners want nothing more than to watch the Yankees rot… it’s a sickness.

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This thread has clearly gone off the rails.

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Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med.

I can't imagine a white or Asian family encouraging their child to make this decision.

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Anonymous wrote:If money is no object I'd rather go to USC than Michigan or Northwestern. Or get tens of thousands of merit awards to go to Alabama over Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern. Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med. He's in medical school now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086403/Student-accepted-Ivy-League-school-decides-University-Alabama-instead.html

If anyone was wondering, he’ll graduate next May from Columbia Medical School.

Omg how is that possible. I heard Alabama was only ranked 140th on Us News!!!

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Anonymous wrote:If money is no object I'd rather go to USC than Michigan or Northwestern. Or get tens of thousands of merit awards to go to Alabama over Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern. Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med. He's in medical school now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3086403/Student-accepted-Ivy-League-school-decides-University-Alabama-instead.html

If anyone was wondering, he’ll graduate next May from Columbia Medical School.

Omg how is that possible. I heard Alabama was only ranked 140th on Us News!!!

It’s on his LinkedIn.

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Like this young man who turned down the Ivies for a full ride to Alabama to study pre-med.

I can't imagine a white or Asian family encouraging their child to make this decision.

Lots of donut hole families make a similar decision (to go to state schools over Ivies).