Which universities have gone DOWN in stature over the years?

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I think the Instagram/TikTok posting culture makes schools with big sports teams more popular. There is a “hype” mentality in the social media lives of Gen Z that makes huge state schools with more obvious branding (like slogans, mascots, chants, etc.) more appealing.

They are easier to post about than SLACs.

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Brown and Cornell

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Cornell, Berkeley, Yale

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Cornell

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UVA sucks and C'Ville is a dump. Everyone there is a racist southern alcoholic that parties everyday, encourage all kids to not apply.

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Anonymous wrote:Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten. The southern universities are recruiting smart out of state kids very aggressively and it's working.

False.

NP. In what way is that false?

It is not false, it is echoed throughout this thread. Colleges rising in stature are on the coasts or in the warm clime south. While colleges losing prestige frequently tend to be cold, stagnant regions, notably the middle west. In Michigan, it was just reported by the Detroit News that a dozen of their public universities have lost upwards of 40% of their students — "plummeting enrollment" fueled by brain drain. From October to April, which is about 90% of the school year, the upper middle west is so miserable and grey. With the internet and social media, teens see their peers having fun in the sun and living in bustling regions, who the heck wants to wear a parka to class all school year in a region you have to flee after graduation? Like, what's the point? Logical people go to college in a region or side of the country they see themselves beginning a career in after college.

https://www.mlive.com/weather/2022/04/numbers-show-just-how-cloudy-it-has-been-in-michigan.html

Name one Big Ten flagship that has lost 40% of its enrollment or has plummeting enrollment.

Nobody said anything about those. Those aren’t the only type of colleges that exist, you know.

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Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten.

Yeah but then they have to go to “Ole Miss”

For certain southern kids, going to an SEC school and joining a top frat or sorority is very much the goal.

I’d go almost anywhere for a full ride, and Ole Miss offers full rides to top students.

It's fine to take the deal, but it will make it harder for your child to get into any graduate program except business/law school. Send them to VT or UMD if they have real ambitions.

What a dumb comment? Have you ever been to a big city in the South? You know, the cities where everyone is moving these days? They are run by frat gods from SEC schools, most of whom could've gone to a school like UMD if they'd wanted. Instead, they chose four years of better weather and hotter coeds while still setting themselves up for post-college success. Get out of your ACELA bubble.

Interesting. How did the families of the AFFLUENT FRAT GODS get their money?

Cotton, slavery. Then law.

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Anonymous wrote:Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten. The southern universities are recruiting smart out of state kids very aggressively and it's working.

False.

NP. In what way is that false?

It is not false, it is echoed throughout this thread. Colleges rising in stature are on the coasts or in the warm clime south. While colleges losing prestige frequently tend to be cold, stagnant regions, notably the middle west. In Michigan, it was just reported by the Detroit News that a dozen of their public universities have lost upwards of 40% of their students — "plummeting enrollment" fueled by brain drain. From October to April, which is about 90% of the school year, the upper middle west is so miserable and grey. With the internet and social media, teens see their peers having fun in the sun and living in bustling regions, who the heck wants to wear a parka to class all school year in a region you have to flee after graduation? Like, what's the point? Logical people go to college in a region or side of the country they see themselves beginning a career in after college.

https://www.mlive.com/weather/2022/04/numbers-show-just-how-cloudy-it-has-been-in-michigan.html

Name one Big Ten flagship that has lost 40% of its enrollment or has plummeting enrollment.

Nobody said anything about those. Those aren’t the only type of colleges that exist, you know.

yeah someone did-

Everything in the middle west, especially cold weather northern states is in decline. Smart middle west 12th graders can go to places like Alabama, Auburn and Ole Miss for less than in-state Big Ten.

Yeah but then they have to go to “Ole Miss”

For certain southern kids, going to an SEC school and joining a top frat or sorority is very much the goal.

I’d go almost anywhere for a full ride, and Ole Miss offers full rides to top students.

It's fine to take the deal, but it will make it harder for your child to get into any graduate program except business/law school. Send them to VT or UMD if they have real ambitions.

What a dumb comment? Have you ever been to a big city in the South? You know, the cities where everyone is moving these days? They are run by frat gods from SEC schools, most of whom could've gone to a school like UMD if they'd wanted. Instead, they chose four years of better weather and hotter coeds while still setting themselves up for post-college success. Get out of your ACELA bubble.

Interesting. How did the families of the AFFLUENT FRAT GODS get their money?

Cotton, slavery. Then law.

You forgot real estate and rent seeking companies. I know a few families that are relatively powerful in southern politics and they make their money now as beer distributors soft drink bottlers.

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Anonymous wrote:I think UMD has gone down recently. I remember a few years ago it was something like 35% acceptance rate and it's shot up to 45%

Wrong direction when applications are at an all time high and the Ivies are in single digits.

Opposite is true. It's gotten more prestigious and competitive. Previous 10 years, admit rate was 40s/50s%. In the 30s this year.

Nope, UMCP acceptance rate right now, is at 51%

https://dbknews.com/2021/11/17/admissions-students-campus-freshman/
It's 40%.

It’s not 40% if you are a kid with a 3.5 from MoCo. You’ll never get in.

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Duke - by a landslide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the Instagram/TikTok posting culture makes schools with big sports teams more popular. There is a “hype” mentality in the social media lives of Gen Z that makes huge state schools with more obvious branding (like slogans, mascots, chants, etc.) more appealing.

They are easier to post about than SLACs.

+1. Especially if they're warm weather.

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Sad to say most colleges in flyover country are losing steam. Kids don't want to deal with the crummy weather and don't see the point of going to college in a region they don't see themselves in after college. The only stable university in Michigan is the state flagship, UMich. Wow just wow, look at those losses.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say most colleges in flyover country are losing steam. Kids don't want to deal with the crummy weather and don't see the point of going to college in a region they don't see themselves in after college. The only stable university in Michigan is the state flagship, UMich. Wow just wow, look at those losses.

Stop about the weather. We. Don’t. Care.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Instagram/TikTok posting culture makes schools with big sports teams more popular. There is a “hype” mentality in the social media lives of Gen Z that makes huge state schools with more obvious branding (like slogans, mascots, chants, etc.) more appealing.

They are easier to post about than SLACs.

+1. Especially if they're warm weather.

I agree. My TikTok obsessed sophomore wants a big, known school with (preferably) warm weather. My older child is headed to the complete opposite- small, selective LAC in the middle of nowhere. The older child doesn't use Instagram or TikTok and if they did would still not be influenced by it. They knew that they wanted a small liberal arts college.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Brown, Dartmouth, Berkeley and Cornell have gone down.

Columbia, Hopkins, U Chicago, Stanford, Rice, MIT, CalTech came up.

Oh, you! First by assuming "stature" is a thing that matters and can be put on a scale. Second by starting your list with "Harvard" which literally has been the generic term for the #1 college since it's inception in 1636.

You silly person! Just stop!

Brown, Dartmouth, Berkeley down. Cornell down too (just look at rankings)

UP: JHU, Stanford and Chicago

You silly, silly person!

First, rankings don't matter. But if they did:

Brown has bounced between 10-17 consistently since the inception of USN.
Dartmouth between 6-12
Berkeley between 13-22
Cornell between 11-16 (with one outlier year at 6)

This is out of 3,000 colleges.

You are, as they used to say in my neighborhood, talking out of your ass.

Dartmouth has actually fallen out of the top 10, and Cornell is now ranked below Vanderbilt, JHU, etc.

This is where you double down on silly.

You think that when minor statistical numbers for 3,000 colleges change which cause a university's ranking to change from 9 to 12 is significant in some way.

That's ridiculous.

Dartmouth has been ranked 9, 10, 11 or 12 every year since 1999. Just around the time USN startled ranking comprehensively.

You continue to be very very silly. Stop.

Does anyone care about the bottom 2,750? Does a kid considering any school in the top 30 or a company recruiting on campuses at flagships and T20s even acknowledge whatever schools is ranked 2,8750?

Snob. Your type is dying out.

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Georgetown, Syracuse, UChicago, Berkeley