Which universities have gone DOWN in stature over the years?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Antioch, Beloit, Knox, Lawrence, Muhlenberg, Union

I think that these schools are regarded today exactly as they were 40 years ago. Neither better nor worse.

No, they aren't. They are the type of a school that's out of fashion now - small, rural LAC, located where the winter is pretty cold. Yes, I know that many kids are still dreaming of Amherst and Williams, but move one tier down, and the kids that used to dream of those now prefer the big state schools.

I don’t know what you mean by one tier down but the kids for whom places like Wesleyan or Grinnell are a good fit are not looking at big state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

I agree that the quality of the education really hasn’t changed. UVA was mediocre in STEM and it still is for a supposedly top public university.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

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Schools that are too good end up getting worse.

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UVM used to be considered a public Ivy. It's now ranked around #120.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M. California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for. If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)

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Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

I agree that the quality of the education really hasn’t changed. UVA was mediocre in STEM and it still is for a supposedly top public university.

Ah tge dense person whose kid didn’t get into UVA and wants to bash its science program is back. But you still haven’t figured out who James Ryan us, have you? Why don’t you go to the UVA website or wiki page and educate yourself before ignorantly slamming UVA.

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No everyone doesn’t want to go to UVA and W&M. My kid turned her nose up at both. She is far from alone.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M. California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for. If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)

Everyone instate might want to go there. OOS is a different matter. They are headed to UVA for business and the soft majors. No serious student in STEM is going to consider either school at OOS rates.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M. California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for. If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)

Everyone instate might want to go there. OOS is a different matter. They are headed to UVA for business and the soft majors. No serious student in STEM is going to consider either school at OOS rates.

Attack of the STEM posters. Again. Boring.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M. California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for. If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)

Everyone instate might want to go there. OOS is a different matter. They are headed to UVA for business and the soft majors. No serious student in STEM is going to consider either school at OOS rates.

Attack of the STEM posters. Again. Boring.

I know it’s boring to hear, but it is the truth. UVA lags significantly behind the other top publics in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antioch, Beloit, Knox, Lawrence, Muhlenberg, Union

I think that these schools are regarded today exactly as they were 40 years ago. Neither better nor worse.

No, they aren't. They are the type of a school that's out of fashion now - small, rural LAC, located where the winter is pretty cold. Yes, I know that many kids are still dreaming of Amherst and Williams, but move one tier down, and the kids that used to dream of those now prefer the big state schools.

The difference between a small LAC and a big state school is huge. So no, most students who were interested in the benefits of a LAC (smaller classes, more student-professor interaction, more leadership opportunities since you're not vying against a large number of students, tighter community, etc.) would not suddenly prefer a big state school. However, they may well indeed be looking south. Lots of good small and mid-sized schools in the south -- Davidson, Wake Forest, SMU, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M. California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for. If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)

Everyone instate might want to go there. OOS is a different matter. They are headed to UVA for business and the soft majors. No serious student in STEM is going to consider either school at OOS rates.

LOL. non-STEM =/= soft

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.

UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR. it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points. So you could certainly make a case it has declined.

I definitely remember when it was number 2. But then they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down. Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well. All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down. I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.

+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M. California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for. If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)

Everyone instate might want to go there. OOS is a different matter. They are headed to UVA for business and the soft majors. No serious student in STEM is going to consider either school at OOS rates.

non-STEM =/= soft