ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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You are wrong for the 20th time. It wasn’t about traffic, it was about interference.

It's really not.

Yes, apparently ICE thugs are "federal law enforcement officers" (vomit - no they are not in reality) but they have a limited scope of authority. IF they have a warrant and IF they are out serving the warrant and taking someone into custody, then they are on official business, and if you interfere with that particular job (apprehending the person they have a warrant for) then it could be considered interfering with the job of a law officer.

(Like obstructing justice - which Trump has done what, umpteen million times? But I digress)

But if ICE agent Big Boy heads out in his car to go get a sandwich, and you stop your car to slow down traffic on the street he is driving on, yes, you have gotten in his way, but you got in his way of getting a sandwich, not of arresting someone he has a warrant for.

If he doesn't have a warrant for the person he is trying to arrest, then the arrest isn't legal; and if you get in the way of him making an arrest without a warrant, you aren't impeding a lawful activity.

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His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

[Anonymous]

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You are wrong for the 20th time. It wasn’t about traffic, it was about interference.

It's really not.

Yes, apparently ICE thugs are "federal law enforcement officers" (vomit - no they are not in reality) but they have a limited scope of authority. IF they have a warrant and IF they are out serving the warrant and taking someone into custody, then they are on official business, and if you interfere with that particular job (apprehending the person they have a warrant for) then it could be considered interfering with the job of a law officer.

(Like obstructing justice - which Trump has done what, umpteen million times? But I digress)

But if ICE agent Big Boy heads out in his car to go get a sandwich, and you stop your car to slow down traffic on the street he is driving on, yes, you have gotten in his way, but you got in his way of getting a sandwich, not of arresting someone he has a warrant for.

If he doesn't have a warrant for the person he is trying to arrest, then the arrest isn't legal; and if you get in the way of him making an arrest without a warrant, you aren't impeding a lawful activity.

I thought we’d be past the ICE warrant false information program by now.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

Your silence is not respect, it is fear. Think about it; is ICE doing its job if normal citizens are afraid of them?

normal citizens aren't afraid of them. it is politically active leftists who portray them as the Gestapo and pretend to cower in fear. but most normal citizens are happy that they are out there enforcing the laws and getting rid of illegals.

"normal" citizens? US citizens and legal immigrants have been targeted. The tactics used against anyone they decide to harass are unnecessarily harsh and inappropriate. Wake up fool. Normal people see them as unnecessarily violent and blunt force. ICE have earned a bad rep and have lost respect from anyone "normal".

How about no...... Dr. Evil

Actually, yes, they have been doing things. And Dr. Evil is our POTUS. Or maybe he's mini-me and Miller is Dr. Evil.

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Anonymous wrote:This is clear as day - anyone who cannot see this is just plain stupid.

The agent had a great deal of animosity toward the victim.
Proven by him calling her a “bi#%ch” as she drove off.

Wow, seconds after pummeling bullets into her head he has the audacity to call her the B word.

He had other options.
He should have removed his ego and emotions from the equation and simply let her drive away.

What physical danger was she at that point??

It was a tragic situation. But if you watch the video in slow motion the sequence is as follows:

1. Engine revs.
2. Tires spin briefly.
3. When the car begins to move the tires are facing directly at the officer.
4. Officer fired his weapon.

He can say credibly that he feared for his life. He will likely be acquitted. Again, a tragic situation.

That's...not what it shows. It shows her turning her wheel hard to the right, away from the ICE officer, and the him stepping forward, toward the car, to fire at her.

this. i don't understand the mindset of PPs who try to gaslight about cold blooded murder. So many really really awful people on this thread and helming our government who will rationalize killing innocent people. Depraved.

[Anonymous]

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His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

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Justify*

DCUM needs an edit feature.

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His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

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There’s video of him moving the phone to his left hand when he’s still on the passenger side of the vehicle. Itchy trigger finger set in before he stepped around the vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:It is tragic she died. But she and her wife were out there to disrupt ICE as much as possible. I am not sure what compels anyone to actually provoke a team of federal officials who are clearly armed.

Protest? Sure. Vote against the politicians implementing the policies? Sure.

But interjecting and engaging the officers literally; that (at best) gets you arrested - at worst dead.

Neither of those outcomes are worth the risk.

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Why did you make me hit you?

Do you ever take personal responsibility for any of your decisions and their outcomes?

Does ICE ever take responsibility for any of its decisions and their outcomes? No, they just lie about them.

You're no different if you don't believe in taking personal responsibility for your decisions and actions.

Do you think you’re actually making a point, here?

No one makes a decision to get shot in the face. People DO make decisions to SHOOT SOMEONE in the face. Do you really not understand the difference?

You don't seem to understand that consequences occur for decisions and actions. I'm not saying it's fair, but it's life. Not everyone is nice, kind, and caring.

It'd be cool if they could be professional though.

And not murder people.

FA FO

And here it is. These MAGA folks are just itching to have the slightest excuse (despite how illogical) to kill someone. They watch FoX News all day and fantasize about blowing some liberal’s head off.

We don’t want to blow the head off anyone. If you follow lawful orders, act accordingly, don’t interfere and you’ll be fine. Unfortunately, she found out the hard way.

ICE was not lawful in ordering anything to Renee Good. ICE is not traffic cop. Stop gaslighting.

You are wrong for the 20th time. It wasn’t about traffic, it was about interference.

Renee Good was not interfering with an active ICE operation. Stop lying, fascist.

[Anonymous]

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His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

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And then…they blocked a doctor trying to provide medical assistance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is clear as day - anyone who cannot see this is just plain stupid.

The agent had a great deal of animosity toward the victim.
Proven by him calling her a “bi#%ch” as she drove off.

Wow, seconds after pummeling bullets into her head he has the audacity to call her the B word.

He had other options.
He should have removed his ego and emotions from the equation and simply let her drive away.

What physical danger was she at that point??

It was a tragic situation. But if you watch the video in slow motion the sequence is as follows:

1. Engine revs.
2. Tires spin briefly.
3. When the car begins to move the tires are facing directly at the officer.
4. Officer fired his weapon.

He can say credibly that he feared for his life. He will likely be acquitted. Again, a tragic situation.

That's...not what it shows. It shows her turning her wheel hard to the right, away from the ICE officer, and the him stepping forward, toward the car, to fire at her.

The tires were pointing hard left. She turned the steering wheel hard right, but when the car began to move forward the tires were still pointing straight. Directly at the officer. Then the wheels spun. That’s when the officer drew his weapon. The wheels didn’t begin to turn tight until after the first shot. Again, horrible tragedy that did not have to happen.

You can see he started to think of shooting her long before she moved the car when he switched his phone into his non-shooting hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clear as day - anyone who cannot see this is just plain stupid.

The agent had a great deal of animosity toward the victim.
Proven by him calling her a “bi#%ch” as she drove off.

Wow, seconds after pummeling bullets into her head he has the audacity to call her the B word.

He had other options.
He should have removed his ego and emotions from the equation and simply let her drive away.

What physical danger was she at that point??

It was a tragic situation. But if you watch the video in slow motion the sequence is as follows:

1. Engine revs.
2. Tires spin briefly.
3. When the car begins to move the tires are facing directly at the officer.
4. Officer fired his weapon.

He can say credibly that he feared for his life. He will likely be acquitted. Again, a tragic situation.

That's...not what it shows. It shows her turning her wheel hard to the right, away from the ICE officer, and the him stepping forward, toward the car, to fire at her.

this. i don't understand the mindset of PPs who try to gaslight about cold blooded murder. So many really really awful people on this thread and helming our government who will rationalize killing innocent people. Depraved.

Yes, but chances are you are arguing with bot or paid agitators. The administration is quite happy that we are all distracted from the Epstein saga.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is clear as day - anyone who cannot see this is just plain stupid.

The agent had a great deal of animosity toward the victim.
Proven by him calling her a “bi#%ch” as she drove off.

Wow, seconds after pummeling bullets into her head he has the audacity to call her the B word.

He had other options.
He should have removed his ego and emotions from the equation and simply let her drive away.

What physical danger was she at that point??

It was a tragic situation. But if you watch the video in slow motion the sequence is as follows:

1. Engine revs.
2. Tires spin briefly.
3. When the car begins to move the tires are facing directly at the officer.
4. Officer fired his weapon.

He can say credibly that he feared for his life. He will likely be acquitted. Again, a tragic situation.

That's...not what it shows. It shows her turning her wheel hard to the right, away from the ICE officer, and the him stepping forward, toward the car, to fire at her.

The tires were pointing hard left. She turned the steering wheel hard right, but when the car began to move forward the tires were still pointing straight. Directly at the officer. Then the wheels spun. That’s when the officer drew his weapon. The wheels didn’t begin to turn tight until after the first shot. Again, horrible tragedy that did not have to happen.

You can see he started to think of shooting her long before she moved the car when he switched his phone into his non-shooting hand.

And when he started to think of shooting her, he should have brandished his gun for her to see. He did not do that.

[Anonymous]

Pretty accurate description of how the conversation between Ross and his defense counsel will go.