ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Arrest Nick Shirley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Her wheels are past him, and both his feet are visible, when he fires the first shot. He was not in danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Her wheels are past him, and both his feet are visible, when he fires the first shot. He was not in danger.

Well that kind of tinkles on the whole "Alpha MAGA Man" ideal. Stop it. You'll hurt someone's feelings. And we know what happens when you hurt the feelings of an Alpha MAGA Man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did.

I can't imagine anyone of normal sensibilities being afraid for his or her life in that situation. Poor boy had some vehicular incident trauma that he impacted him and he shouldn't have been in that situation. His particularized fear is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did.

The standard is would a reasonable person believe their life was in danger when he fired each individual shot. As in firing through the driver's window for shots 2 and 3.

[Anonymous]

New poster.

I do not understand why people here are trying to refute that she was an activist for the group Ice Watch?

All the reporting I’ve seen indicates she was part of the group and was advocating for the group at the time.

It really has no bearing on what happened (and it’s up to the courts and authorities to decide the officers guilt or innocence here).

So why are people trying to deny the fact of her activism? Can someone explain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did.

The standard is would a reasonable person believe their life was in danger when he fired each individual shot. As in firing through the driver's window for shots 2 and 3.

The fact that thousands of reasonable people saw different things in the video means there was reasonable doubt. Sorry if you can’t understand that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did.

Gotcha. Anything and everything is allowed as long as you feel your “life is in danger” when you’re an LEO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster.

I do not understand why people here are trying to refute that she was an activist for the group Ice Watch?

All the reporting I’ve seen indicates she was part of the group and was advocating for the group at the time.

It really has no bearing on what happened (and it’s up to the courts and authorities to decide the officers guilt or innocence here).

So why are people trying to deny the fact of her activism? Can someone explain?

Which reporting has that been, besides the one incredibly thinly sourced New York Post story which quotes another parent at her school who wouldn’t give her name and a teacher at the school who hasn’t worked there in months?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?

Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did.

Gotcha. Anything and everything is allowed as long as you feel your “life is in danger” when you’re an LEO.

Not just LEO. But all of us. Welcome to the United States.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster.

I do not understand why people here are trying to refute that she was an activist for the group Ice Watch?

All the reporting I’ve seen indicates she was part of the group and was advocating for the group at the time.

It really has no bearing on what happened (and it’s up to the courts and authorities to decide the officers guilt or innocence here).

So why are people trying to deny the fact of her activism? Can someone explain?

It doesn't fit the soccer mom just doing her normal daily things and then mean ice kills her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that.

I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse.

His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably.

Her wheels are past him, and both his feet are visible, when he fires the first shot. He was not in danger.

Your perception, formed from frame by frame slow motion analysis of a couple of seconds in time, has absolutely no bearing on the way this will be evaluated if it goes to court.