Is your MSer learning the 13 Guiding Principles of BLM?

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Anonymous wrote:You can rant at the internet all day but times are a changing folks. I posted earlier about teaching kinder students about the BLM principles and yes, we do teach them about "homosexuality and transgender" - because we have all sorts of diverse books in our class. Why wouldn't we feature books with diverse family structures? Or use wonderful books like this one to affirm all students?

https://www.amazon.com/Introducing-Teddy-gentle-gender-friendship/dp/1681192101

Guess what? The idea is to teach the children well so that they don't grow up to be like...you. (If "you" are one of the people posting racist/homophobic things on this website)

Thanks, but I'm responsible for my children develop thought in these areas, not you, and not the school.

Well as an ordinary member of society I’m glad the school is stepping up because I don’t trust you to do it.

Well, they are my children, so I have the final say. And if you think I trust people like you to do it, you're out of your mind.

You really don’t have the final say if you put your kid in a public school. You can’t shield their delicate ears from hearing about some political ideologies, just like you can’t shield them from learning about multiplication.

Not that I owe you an explanation, but - I am very in touch with my kids' teachers. If this topic comes up as some sort of a presentation, my kids are excused and do not attend. I think my kids' teachers actually agree with me and are very responsive to requests to keep me informed.

You sound like you are bending over backward to keep your kids uninformed. But yay for your kids’ teachers being supportive of that.

Also my daughter says she learned about the existence of transgender people from a book at the library. I promise, you cannot shield your kid from things you disagree with.

How do you “disagree” with transgendered people, anyway? They exist. That’s like saying you disagree that George Washington was the first president of the USA (inaugurated on this date, as a matter of fact).

There is a huge difference between knowing that trans people exist and that they should be treated kindly, and "affirming" and celebrating their mental illness. Do we affirm and celebrate anorexia? Similar dysphoria. Yes, you can scream all you want, but basically the mental health professions have been bullied into this, when everyone knows that trans people are seriously troubled. It is an emperor's new clothes story.

I feel really sorry for you. You are just so uneducated and seemingly proud of this fact.

Sorry, no, just part of the mental health community who has been around long enough to watch the meltdown.

Yes, it is time to acknowledge anorexia and stop the body shamming. That absolutely should be taught.

False equivalencies are about as bad as false dilemmas. But those sort of logical fallacies are the only tools these people have to argue with.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Yes. can you imagine not agreeing with those principles.

Well, one of them is about dismantling the nuclear family. How do you feel about that?

Do I think the government should deny the label of family to a family when their father dies at war? I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the GOP definition of nuclear family that does not include widows. Not only do I disagree with it... I think it’s godless and a sin.

Also.... pssst <whisper> that’s not 1 of the 13 guiding principles.

Yes it absolutely is. You read the kid-friendly version of the principles.

https://www.dcareaeducators4socialjustice.org/black-lives-matter/13-guiding-principles

Idiot you just posted the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Black Lives Matter Foundation is headquartered in Santa Clarita, CA, and is a 501(c)(3) organization. EIN: 47-4143254. Donations are tax-deductible.

BLM has leadership.

BLM has a mission statement.

BLM takes donations.

BLM lobbies for certain policies.

I mean, how is it not a political organization?

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Anonymous wrote:A garbage fire of a thread started, no doubt, by our resident McWhorter-quoter.

This thread was started because Wood MS deemed it appropriate to spend an hour, teaching kids an entire lesson on BLM today.

Meanwhile, at all MSs, our kids’ Math classes are skipping over material, because there is ‘not enough time’ to teach the entire year’s curriculum.

Strange school system, this is.

You want them to stop teaching Social Studies in middle school?

That isn't social studies. Would you like them to do an equal lesson on the KKK?

NP. BLM isn't a hate group classified as a terrorist organization, an hour is nothing and no one here has the first clue about what CRT is.

I'm actually disturbed we are just accepting the premise. I don't know what was actually taught where and think it's very likely the OP is simply stirring the pot.

There are several people here who are experts on CRT. We've had to do this to counter racist woke insanity.

Everything Kendi says/writes is CRT. And so is this from someone in the MCPS equity division: https://twitter.com/marya_hay/status/1230546821346471939?s=20 Sowing the seeds of hate. Disgusting.

You keep posting this Twitter link as if there's something wrong with it, but I don't understand why? Are you one of those people who want to pretend that society isn't biased towards white people against people of color, and so you think pointing that out is somehow "racist"?

I’m not that poster, but you realize what they’re describing is sort of a twisted version of how the KKK sees “whiteness” right? It’s so far from a mainstream view that it’s not even funny.

What do you mean? Whiteness is a made-up concept that was created in order define certain people as white and therefore superior to people of color, right? And that's what they're basically saying on the flipcharts, right? Or what do you think "whiteness" is?

And the next step is to define all this things that are whiteness and do away with them. This list perhaps. https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/926/d5f/a334baf0d43cd480b3ea93582d7e80f8dc-white-culture.2x.w710.jpg

Hmmm... I support the things on that list.

What color are ya?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Yes. can you imagine not agreeing with those principles.

Well, one of them is about dismantling the nuclear family. How do you feel about that?

Do I think the government should deny the label of family to a family when their father dies at war? I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the GOP definition of nuclear family that does not include widows. Not only do I disagree with it... I think it’s godless and a sin.

Also.... pssst <whisper> that’s not 1 of the 13 guiding principles.

Yes it absolutely is. You read the kid-friendly version of the principles.

https://www.dcareaeducators4socialjustice.org/black-lives-matter/13-guiding-principles

Idiot you just posted the same thing.

? It’s not the same thing. Try actually reading the description of the Black Villages one.

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Anonymous wrote:SO what exactly here is so objectionable?
https://www.dcareaeducators4socialjustice.org/black-lives-matter/13-guiding-principles

The first five principles and number eight are fine. The rest are subject to interpretation.

11. Black Villages: We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement.....

I accept families that may have their own unique family structure but that does not mean I want to actively try to disrupt the traditional nuclear family structure. I happen to think children are best served with two parents that love them (I don't care whether it is man/woman, 2 women, 2 men). Single parenthood sometimes happen and no one should be punished for it, but it is not the ideal situation in which to raise kids. It creates hardship for parents and kids.

BLM ought to be promoting the notion of the nuclear family instead of shooting it down. They also should also be promoting the idea that Black on Black violence needs to end if they really believe that Black Lives Matter. That is one of the biggest problems in the Black community and it hasn’t been acknowledged.

+1. It is an undeniable fact that the demise of the nuclear family- especially the presence of dad in the home- has destroyed the Black community more than so-called racism ever could.

Enslavement destroyed the Black nuclear family back in the 1600s. What do you think was behind enslavement?

That's not even a little bit true. Since 1965 the percentage of black babies born to single mothers has gone from 25% to 72%. Enslavement didn't do that.

Jim Crow did

Nope. The welfare state did. Single mothers got larger benefit checks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Yes. can you imagine not agreeing with those principles.

Well, one of them is about dismantling the nuclear family. How do you feel about that?

Do I think the government should deny the label of family to a family when their father dies at war? I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the GOP definition of nuclear family that does not include widows. Not only do I disagree with it... I think it’s godless and a sin.

Also.... pssst <whisper> that’s not 1 of the 13 guiding principles.

You are full of it. Widows/widowers are not excluded.

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If didn’t see anything in the 13 principles that should actually trigger anyone. It all representative of basic human empathy that we have been taught for decades.

None of the critical race theory bogeyman that conservative TV is obsessed with but can’t seem to actually describe in detail.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. The welfare state did. Single mothers got larger benefit checks.

Wow! I haven't seen the Welfare Queen trope in decades!

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Yes. can you imagine not agreeing with those principles.

Well, one of them is about dismantling the nuclear family. How do you feel about that?

Do I think the government should deny the label of family to a family when their father dies at war? I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the GOP definition of nuclear family that does not include widows. Not only do I disagree with it... I think it’s godless and a sin.

Also.... pssst <whisper> that’s not 1 of the 13 guiding principles.

You keep bringing this up, but you are delusional. Republicans are the ones most likely to donate money to charitable causes, etc. to support widows. No one is trying to take benefits from widows. But children who have two parents are more likely to have better mental health, achieve academically, escape poverty, less likely to be addicted, etc. So society should promote two parent families, for the benefit of children.

You know what would lead to more two-parent families? Eliminating the carceral state, wherein Black males are much more likely to serve long prison sentences for minor offenses like possession of marijuana. Eliminating the school-to-prison pipeline for Black and Latinx youth. Proper and affordable access to birth control to prevent unwanted or unplanned pregnancies, including abortion support. I could go on. But hmmm, I don’t think that’s what you were suggesting...

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Yes. can you imagine not agreeing with those principles.

Well, one of them is about dismantling the nuclear family. How do you feel about that?

Do I think the government should deny the label of family to a family when their father dies at war? I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the GOP definition of nuclear family that does not include widows. Not only do I disagree with it... I think it’s godless and a sin.

Also.... pssst <whisper> that’s not 1 of the 13 guiding principles.

You keep bringing this up, but you are delusional. Republicans are the ones most likely to donate money to charitable causes, etc. to support widows. No one is trying to take benefits from widows. But children who have two parents are more likely to have better mental health, achieve academically, escape poverty, less likely to be addicted, etc. So society should promote two parent families, for the benefit of children.

You know what would lead to more two-parent families? Eliminating the carceral state, wherein Black males are much more likely to serve long prison sentences for minor offenses like possession of marijuana. Eliminating the school-to-prison pipeline for Black and Latinx youth. Proper and affordable access to birth control to prevent unwanted or unplanned pregnancies, including abortion support. I could go on. But hmmm, I don’t think that’s what you were suggesting...

Well, those higher drug sentences were adopted because of the outcries of the black community during the 80s crack epidemic. Talk to your boy, Joe about that one. Anyway, I don't think there are many black youth going to prison over their joints at this point. There is free birth control available to any and all under Obamacare. The single moms are the ones raising black men. Focus your energies there on making them fit companions for the next generation.

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Are we also ok with teaching the NRA’s mission statement? I think studying modern political movements is valid but I don’t like the propaganda feel of this-how is that better than indoctrination? I want kids to be able to choose BLM ideas because they learn about all the current political movements. I’m worried we have become a society that no longer values critical thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we also ok with teaching the NRA’s mission statement? I think studying modern political movements is valid but I don’t like the propaganda feel of this-how is that better than indoctrination? I want kids to be able to choose BLM ideas because they learn about all the current political movements. I’m worried we have become a society that no longer values critical thinking.

OP here

I also feel this way. I’d be uncomfortable with the school spending an hour learning about the NRA’s Guiding Principles or someone above mentioned the Family Research Council.

It’s one thing to mention and discuss these organizations in the context of history. Or even in the context of current events. But spending an hour selling the virtues of the BLM to middle schoolers feels inappropriate. From this thread, it sounds as if I might be somewhat in the minority.

And I agree about the lack of critical thinking! I’ve already discussed this with my kid and why I think it was odd. And obviously encourage DC to make their own decisions and come to their own conclusions. After getting information from multiple sources.

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I also feel this way. I’d be uncomfortable with the school spending an hour learning about the NRA’s Guiding Principles or someone above mentioned the Family Research Council.

It’s one thing to mention and discuss these organizations in the context of history. Or even in the context of current events. But spending an hour selling the virtues of the BLM to middle schoolers feels inappropriate. From this thread, it sounds as if I might be somewhat in the minority.

And I agree about the lack of critical thinking! I’ve already discussed this with my kid and why I think it was odd. And obviously encourage DC to make their own decisions and come to their own conclusions. After getting information from multiple sources.

OP, how do you know this was not discussed in one of these contexts? Do you have more information about what was actually discussed, or were any documents shared?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read quite a bit of this thread and want to clarify one thing. BLM is not a political organization. It is a social activisism. The 13 principles State except everybody for who they are. Everybody has value

https://sites.education.miami.edu/crecer/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2020/06/13-Principles-for-Elementary.pdf

Yes. can you imagine not agreeing with those principles.

Well, one of them is about dismantling the nuclear family. How do you feel about that?

Do I think the government should deny the label of family to a family when their father dies at war? I ABSOLUTELY disagree with the GOP definition of nuclear family that does not include widows. Not only do I disagree with it... I think it’s godless and a sin.

Also.... pssst <whisper> that’s not 1 of the 13 guiding principles.

You keep bringing this up, but you are delusional. Republicans are the ones most likely to donate money to charitable causes, etc. to support widows. No one is trying to take benefits from widows. But children who have two parents are more likely to have better mental health, achieve academically, escape poverty, less likely to be addicted, etc. So society should promote two parent families, for the benefit of children.

You know what would lead to more two-parent families? Eliminating the carceral state, wherein Black males are much more likely to serve long prison sentences for minor offenses like possession of marijuana. Eliminating the school-to-prison pipeline for Black and Latinx youth. Proper and affordable access to birth control to prevent unwanted or unplanned pregnancies, including abortion support. I could go on. But hmmm, I don’t think that’s what you were suggesting...

A crime is a crime and they know better. That will not fix families.