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Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

New poster--the above example says nothing about either club. First, you have no idea if the 5 were "top" or "bottom" players. The fact they were trying out makes it more likely they weren't the top five. Second, FCV and MU aren't the only two clubs in the area. So you can't make judgments about where a particular player fits in a ranking scheme. FCV rosters are relatively deep as you go up in age, the younger years are where you see more dilution across the area. The PP was correct that it's best for the player at the younger years to start at an elite option somewhere, to get minutes and exposure. Playing under pressure to perform in a game is different than practice and something you don't get much of when you spend most of your time on the bench. As mentioned by someone else, if you are a perennial sub on an FCV roster from u14-u17, you will not even show up on a u19 roster, you will be gone, and have lost your chance to compete and sign with a D1 school as well. It's not rocket science and very bizarre that you are arguing against such simple logic.

Well I do know they were in the top 5...

Play in this area long enough and you get to know the top players and parents. Most are great and just want what is best for their kid.

Follow the thread, FCV splits time...there are very few every game starters. Time is split equally as the rosters are deep. Maybe that will change, who knows. But the statements being made up as 'facts' and 'simple logic' are just that, made up.

I've seen multiple FCV age groups play many times, and the starting lineup is the starting lineup, it doesn't change much. They don't shuffle players like a deck of cards; they have players they play to win in their given positions and then sub as needed. Do subs get a chance to play? Sure. Do they play anywhere near the minutes of the top players on a given team? No.

Playing against FCV teams give a very narrow view. You'd have to attend every week. The stats are out there if you want to look at game by game and minutes played.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

Facts:
When FCV was in ECNL up to 70 kids would show up for tryouts. - Conjecture. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. You don't know this and have no way of supporting this...argumentative.

Facts:
When DA launched and ECNL expanded FCV tryouts numbers plummeted to less than 10 outside kids. - Speculation. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. I personally saw the 07's when trying out and they had 3 full games going...i.e. ~66 players or more.

Facts:
FCV is not drawing outside talent like it used to. - Come on. This is simple conjecture attempting to be argumentative. You have no evidence to support any claim like this.

Facts:
All clubs are relying on internal talent more and more as staying put is easier for kids. - How can you possibly know the internal working and players, player development from EVERY club. More conjecture to be argumentative.

Facts:
FCV does not offer anything that 6 other clubs can’t also offer while staying closer to home and continue to play with established friends. - Wow...while you can compare clubs and offering, there isn't a club anywhere in NoVa that trains like FCV. I hear it from parents all the time that come in for tryouts. FCV is still getting stragglers from MU coming for tryouts as of this week. If a player wants to play near home and play with friends, that is fine. But the training the would get is not even close in comparison.

Facts:
Kids still like playing in HS. And FCV lost several players mid season to HS alone. - I do not know of ANY DA players that left to play HS. Some may not come to FCV for that reason, and that is a personal choice that is OK. Every player is different.

Facts:
FCV sold because the writing is on the wall if they stay in Loudoun.

- And you finish off with conjecture. Unless you are CZ, STJ owner or one of the lawyers involved, you have no idea why the club was sold. I have personally heard why the club was sold and it not b/c of the made up reason you state above.

Don't hate on FCV because the club has better teams at the DA level. Some kids fit in better at other clubs, nothing wrong with that. But if you want to get looked at by college coaches, FCV is the club in this area to do that. Regardless if the player is 12, 18, 1, or 3.

False. In the history of FCV DA, players 12 and 18 have never received a D1 offer. I am not sure they would be in the top 5 on another club but those players actually get D1 offers. So if those FCV players are better it is pretty obvious they are making a mistake in staying.

Well unless you know every player on every team and where they went to play, you wouldn't know this. You are simply making something up to fit YOUR narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

New poster--the above example says nothing about either club. First, you have no idea if the 5 were "top" or "bottom" players. The fact they were trying out makes it more likely they weren't the top five. Second, FCV and MU aren't the only two clubs in the area. So you can't make judgments about where a particular player fits in a ranking scheme. FCV rosters are relatively deep as you go up in age, the younger years are where you see more dilution across the area. The PP was correct that it's best for the player at the younger years to start at an elite option somewhere, to get minutes and exposure. Playing under pressure to perform in a game is different than practice and something you don't get much of when you spend most of your time on the bench. As mentioned by someone else, if you are a perennial sub on an FCV roster from u14-u17, you will not even show up on a u19 roster, you will be gone, and have lost your chance to compete and sign with a D1 school as well. It's not rocket science and very bizarre that you are arguing against such simple logic.

Well I do know they were in the top 5...

Play in this area long enough and you get to know the top players and parents. Most are great and just want what is best for their kid.

Follow the thread, FCV splits time...there are very few every game starters. Time is split equally as the rosters are deep. Maybe that will change, who knows. But the statements being made up as 'facts' and 'simple logic' are just that, made up.

Isn’t the whole point of the DA no return sub rule intended to develop and teach players how to play a full game or close to a full game like the rest of the world plays?

Well I don't know the intent behind the DA rules on substitution (website says to conform to the same way the rest of the world plays), but they can sub across 3 moments at U14 and below, which allows for the equal time. The game management by the coaches for the most part is pretty good. At U15 and up there is no re-entry. But the game management is good and time is distributed very well.

You just contradicted yourself. Welcome to U15 big girl soccer. Subs do not get equal playing time. Not even close. That's the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

New poster--the above example says nothing about either club. First, you have no idea if the 5 were "top" or "bottom" players. The fact they were trying out makes it more likely they weren't the top five. Second, FCV and MU aren't the only two clubs in the area. So you can't make judgments about where a particular player fits in a ranking scheme. FCV rosters are relatively deep as you go up in age, the younger years are where you see more dilution across the area. The PP was correct that it's best for the player at the younger years to start at an elite option somewhere, to get minutes and exposure. Playing under pressure to perform in a game is different than practice and something you don't get much of when you spend most of your time on the bench. As mentioned by someone else, if you are a perennial sub on an FCV roster from u14-u17, you will not even show up on a u19 roster, you will be gone, and have lost your chance to compete and sign with a D1 school as well. It's not rocket science and very bizarre that you are arguing against such simple logic.

Well I do know they were in the top 5...

Play in this area long enough and you get to know the top players and parents. Most are great and just want what is best for their kid.

Follow the thread, FCV splits time...there are very few every game starters. Time is split equally as the rosters are deep. Maybe that will change, who knows. But the statements being made up as 'facts' and 'simple logic' are just that, made up.

Isn’t the whole point of the DA no return sub rule intended to develop and teach players how to play a full game or close to a full game like the rest of the world plays?

Well I don't know the intent behind the DA rules on substitution (website says to conform to the same way the rest of the world plays), but they can sub across 3 moments at U14 and below, which allows for the equal time. The game management by the coaches for the most part is pretty good. At U15 and up there is no re-entry. But the game management is good and time is distributed very well.

You just contradicted yourself. Welcome to U15 big girl soccer. Subs do not get equal playing time. Not even close. That's the point.

No, I didn't. A player may play 1/2 or 2/3 of one game while another player plays 1/2 or 2/3 of another game.

If you are talking in a single game, you are correct that it is not equal as that would be very difficult. Across the season though multiple games, it is very balanced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

Facts:
When FCV was in ECNL up to 70 kids would show up for tryouts. - Conjecture. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. You don't know this and have no way of supporting this...argumentative.

Facts:
When DA launched and ECNL expanded FCV tryouts numbers plummeted to less than 10 outside kids. - Speculation. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. I personally saw the 07's when trying out and they had 3 full games going...i.e. ~66 players or more.

Facts:
FCV is not drawing outside talent like it used to. - Come on. This is simple conjecture attempting to be argumentative. You have no evidence to support any claim like this.

Facts:
All clubs are relying on internal talent more and more as staying put is easier for kids. - How can you possibly know the internal working and players, player development from EVERY club. More conjecture to be argumentative.

Facts:
FCV does not offer anything that 6 other clubs can’t also offer while staying closer to home and continue to play with established friends. - Wow...while you can compare clubs and offering, there isn't a club anywhere in NoVa that trains like FCV. I hear it from parents all the time that come in for tryouts. FCV is still getting stragglers from MU coming for tryouts as of this week. If a player wants to play near home and play with friends, that is fine. But the training the would get is not even close in comparison.

Facts:
Kids still like playing in HS. And FCV lost several players mid season to HS alone. - I do not know of ANY DA players that left to play HS. Some may not come to FCV for that reason, and that is a personal choice that is OK. Every player is different.

Facts:
FCV sold because the writing is on the wall if they stay in Loudoun.

- And you finish off with conjecture. Unless you are CZ, STJ owner or one of the lawyers involved, you have no idea why the club was sold. I have personally heard why the club was sold and it not b/c of the made up reason you state above.

Don't hate on FCV because the club has better teams at the DA level. Some kids fit in better at other clubs, nothing wrong with that. But if you want to get looked at by college coaches, FCV is the club in this area to do that. Regardless if the player is 12, 18, 1, or 3.

False. In the history of FCV DA, players 12 and 18 have never received a D1 offer. I am not sure they would be in the top 5 on another club but those players actually get D1 offers. So if those FCV players are better it is pretty obvious they are making a mistake in staying.

Well unless you know every player on every team and where they went to play, you wouldn't know this. You are simply making something up to fit YOUR narrative.

I’m not the poster you are having this lively discussion with, but that’s precisely the point. These players that left sought out other options that gave them playing time. If they made D1 as a result, which is very possible and more likely than it would have been staying on an FCV roster as a sub to be dumped at u19, it was from that exposure provided by the other elite club, not benchwarming for FCV at u14.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

New poster--the above example says nothing about either club. First, you have no idea if the 5 were "top" or "bottom" players. The fact they were trying out makes it more likely they weren't the top five. Second, FCV and MU aren't the only two clubs in the area. So you can't make judgments about where a particular player fits in a ranking scheme. FCV rosters are relatively deep as you go up in age, the younger years are where you see more dilution across the area. The PP was correct that it's best for the player at the younger years to start at an elite option somewhere, to get minutes and exposure. Playing under pressure to perform in a game is different than practice and something you don't get much of when you spend most of your time on the bench. As mentioned by someone else, if you are a perennial sub on an FCV roster from u14-u17, you will not even show up on a u19 roster, you will be gone, and have lost your chance to compete and sign with a D1 school as well. It's not rocket science and very bizarre that you are arguing against such simple logic.

Well I do know they were in the top 5...

Play in this area long enough and you get to know the top players and parents. Most are great and just want what is best for their kid.

Follow the thread, FCV splits time...there are very few every game starters. Time is split equally as the rosters are deep. Maybe that will change, who knows. But the statements being made up as 'facts' and 'simple logic' are just that, made up.

Isn’t the whole point of the DA no return sub rule intended to develop and teach players how to play a full game or close to a full game like the rest of the world plays?

Well I don't know the intent behind the DA rules on substitution (website says to conform to the same way the rest of the world plays), but they can sub across 3 moments at U14 and below, which allows for the equal time. The game management by the coaches for the most part is pretty good. At U15 and up there is no re-entry. But the game management is good and time is distributed very well.

You just contradicted yourself. Welcome to U15 big girl soccer. Subs do not get equal playing time. Not even close. That's the point.

No, I didn't. A player may play 1/2 or 2/3 of one game while another player plays 1/2 or 2/3 of another game.

If you are talking in a single game, you are correct that it is not equal as that would be very difficult. Across the season though multiple games, it is very balanced.

If it were very balanced, as you describe, then minutes would be almost equally distributed amongst all players. They aren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

New poster--the above example says nothing about either club. First, you have no idea if the 5 were "top" or "bottom" players. The fact they were trying out makes it more likely they weren't the top five. Second, FCV and MU aren't the only two clubs in the area. So you can't make judgments about where a particular player fits in a ranking scheme. FCV rosters are relatively deep as you go up in age, the younger years are where you see more dilution across the area. The PP was correct that it's best for the player at the younger years to start at an elite option somewhere, to get minutes and exposure. Playing under pressure to perform in a game is different than practice and something you don't get much of when you spend most of your time on the bench. As mentioned by someone else, if you are a perennial sub on an FCV roster from u14-u17, you will not even show up on a u19 roster, you will be gone, and have lost your chance to compete and sign with a D1 school as well. It's not rocket science and very bizarre that you are arguing against such simple logic.

Well I do know they were in the top 5...

Play in this area long enough and you get to know the top players and parents. Most are great and just want what is best for their kid.

Follow the thread, FCV splits time...there are very few every game starters. Time is split equally as the rosters are deep. Maybe that will change, who knows. But the statements being made up as 'facts' and 'simple logic' are just that, made up.

Isn’t the whole point of the DA no return sub rule intended to develop and teach players how to play a full game or close to a full game like the rest of the world plays?

Well I don't know the intent behind the DA rules on substitution (website says to conform to the same way the rest of the world plays), but they can sub across 3 moments at U14 and below, which allows for the equal time. The game management by the coaches for the most part is pretty good. At U15 and up there is no re-entry. But the game management is good and time is distributed very well.

You just contradicted yourself. Welcome to U15 big girl soccer. Subs do not get equal playing time. Not even close. That's the point.

No, I didn't. A player may play 1/2 or 2/3 of one game while another player plays 1/2 or 2/3 of another game.

If you are talking in a single game, you are correct that it is not equal as that would be very difficult. Across the season though multiple games, it is very balanced.

If it were very balanced, as you describe, then minutes would be almost equally distributed amongst all players. They aren’t.

And you have gone game by game and totaled these minutes? Come on!?!

You are making a guess, plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

And in that gloried FCV history ODP was important too.

Things change. The canary in the mine shaft is the FACT that just four years ago up to 70 outside kids came to a single tryout to get a foot in the door at ECNL. When that drops to 10 total outside kids for a age group over several weeks? You are no longer the only game in town and you need to actually offer something more than arrogance and history.

Things that used to be great and no longer are:

BlackBerry
AOL
ODP
Blockbuster
CD’s
DVD’s
Network TV
Star Wars
FCV

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And in that gloried FCV history ODP was important too.

Things change. The canary in the mine shaft is the FACT that just four years ago up to 70 outside kids came to a single tryout to get a foot in the door at ECNL. When that drops to 10 total outside kids for a age group over several weeks? You are no longer the only game in town and you need to actually offer something more than arrogance and history.

Things that used to be great and no longer are:

BlackBerry
AOL
ODP
Blockbuster
CD’s
DVD’s
Network TV
Star Wars
FCV

Haha...more made up information. You do not know how many players attended tryouts this year, last or any year before.

Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

Facts:
When FCV was in ECNL up to 70 kids would show up for tryouts. - Conjecture. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. You don't know this and have no way of supporting this...argumentative.

Facts:
When DA launched and ECNL expanded FCV tryouts numbers plummeted to less than 10 outside kids. - Speculation. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. I personally saw the 07's when trying out and they had 3 full games going...i.e. ~66 players or more.

Facts:
FCV is not drawing outside talent like it used to. - Come on. This is simple conjecture attempting to be argumentative. You have no evidence to support any claim like this.

Facts:
All clubs are relying on internal talent more and more as staying put is easier for kids. - How can you possibly know the internal working and players, player development from EVERY club. More conjecture to be argumentative.

Facts:
FCV does not offer anything that 6 other clubs can’t also offer while staying closer to home and continue to play with established friends. - Wow...while you can compare clubs and offering, there isn't a club anywhere in NoVa that trains like FCV. I hear it from parents all the time that come in for tryouts. FCV is still getting stragglers from MU coming for tryouts as of this week. If a player wants to play near home and play with friends, that is fine. But the training the would get is not even close in comparison.

Facts:
Kids still like playing in HS. And FCV lost several players mid season to HS alone. - I do not know of ANY DA players that left to play HS. Some may not come to FCV for that reason, and that is a personal choice that is OK. Every player is different.

Facts:
FCV sold because the writing is on the wall if they stay in Loudoun.

- And you finish off with conjecture. Unless you are CZ, STJ owner or one of the lawyers involved, you have no idea why the club was sold. I have personally heard why the club was sold and it not b/c of the made up reason you state above.

Don't hate on FCV because the club has better teams at the DA level. Some kids fit in better at other clubs, nothing wrong with that. But if you want to get looked at by college coaches, FCV is the club in this area to do that. Regardless if the player is 12, 18, 1, or 3.

False. In the history of FCV DA, players 12 and 18 have never received a D1 offer. I am not sure they would be in the top 5 on another club but those players actually get D1 offers. So if those FCV players are better it is pretty obvious they are making a mistake in staying.

So the links that were shared yesterday are false? Because they show plenty of kids 12-18 getting D1 offers. Do you really think that people are going to believe you versus the actual data that is on the Internet? FCV is different from every other club for the simple fact that it is BY FAR the strongest DA/ECNL option in the area. That may change but it won’t change because you hope it will. Top players want to play with top players. The big fish in the small pond isn’t for everyone. Finally, with respect to tryout numbers at FCV, less people are coming out to the older age group tryout for the same reason, there are already a ton of top players there and breaking in would be extremely difficult. Very easy to understand unless you are obsessed with coming up with crazy reasons to hope for FCVs demise.

And to do he poster talking about dilution. FCV, today, is BY FAR, the least affected. Regional ECNL means nothing for FCV DA. FCV DA has become a destination - for top players and that is exactly what the top level (currently called GDA) should be about. It requires more sacrifices. If you want to play at the top during the crucial older years, you don’t care what ECNL or regional ecnl clubs you’re driving by to get to the top club(s). Ecnl is a great second tier option especially for those that want to play high school. And certainly some top players are there. But the heaviest concentrations are and should be at the DA. It’s funny too that ecnl is promoting high school. Because before GDA the top teams weren’t exactly encouraging high school soccer being prioritizing over club.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

Facts:
When FCV was in ECNL up to 70 kids would show up for tryouts. - Conjecture. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. You don't know this and have no way of supporting this...argumentative.

Facts:
When DA launched and ECNL expanded FCV tryouts numbers plummeted to less than 10 outside kids. - Speculation. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. I personally saw the 07's when trying out and they had 3 full games going...i.e. ~66 players or more.

Facts:
FCV is not drawing outside talent like it used to. - Come on. This is simple conjecture attempting to be argumentative. You have no evidence to support any claim like this.

Facts:
All clubs are relying on internal talent more and more as staying put is easier for kids. - How can you possibly know the internal working and players, player development from EVERY club. More conjecture to be argumentative.

Facts:
FCV does not offer anything that 6 other clubs can’t also offer while staying closer to home and continue to play with established friends. - Wow...while you can compare clubs and offering, there isn't a club anywhere in NoVa that trains like FCV. I hear it from parents all the time that come in for tryouts. FCV is still getting stragglers from MU coming for tryouts as of this week. If a player wants to play near home and play with friends, that is fine. But the training the would get is not even close in comparison.

Facts:
Kids still like playing in HS. And FCV lost several players mid season to HS alone. - I do not know of ANY DA players that left to play HS. Some may not come to FCV for that reason, and that is a personal choice that is OK. Every player is different.

Facts:
FCV sold because the writing is on the wall if they stay in Loudoun.

- And you finish off with conjecture. Unless you are CZ, STJ owner or one of the lawyers involved, you have no idea why the club was sold. I have personally heard why the club was sold and it not b/c of the made up reason you state above.

Don't hate on FCV because the club has better teams at the DA level. Some kids fit in better at other clubs, nothing wrong with that. But if you want to get looked at by college coaches, FCV is the club in this area to do that. Regardless if the player is 12, 18, 1, or 3.

False. In the history of FCV DA, players 12 and 18 have never received a D1 offer. I am not sure they would be in the top 5 on another club but those players actually get D1 offers. So if those FCV players are better it is pretty obvious they are making a mistake in staying.

So the links that were shared yesterday are false? Because they show plenty of kids 12-18 getting D1 offers. Do you really think that people are going to believe you versus the actual data that is on the Internet? FCV is different from every other club for the simple fact that it is BY FAR the strongest DA/ECNL option in the area. That may change but it won’t change because you hope it will. Top players want to play with top players. The big fish in the small pond isn’t for everyone. Finally, with respect to tryout numbers at FCV, less people are coming out to the older age group tryout for the same reason, there are already a ton of top players there and breaking in would be extremely difficult. Very easy to understand unless you are obsessed with coming up with crazy reasons to hope for FCVs demise.

And to do he poster talking about dilution. FCV, today, is BY FAR, the least affected. Regional ECNL means nothing for FCV DA. FCV DA has become a destination - for top players and that is exactly what the top level (currently called GDA) should be about. It requires more sacrifices. If you want to play at the top during the crucial older years, you don’t care what ECNL or regional ecnl clubs you’re driving by to get to the top club(s). Ecnl is a great second tier option especially for those that want to play high school. And certainly some top players are there. But the heaviest concentrations are and should be at the DA. It’s funny too that ecnl is promoting high school. Because before GDA the top teams weren’t exactly encouraging high school soccer being prioritizing over club.

+1

The only dilution FCV has is in the 2nd teams...Usually can't field a 3rd team.

Kids come for DA or bust.

Hoping the new Developmental Player League will help with that.

http://dpleague.org/

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You are all morons living through your kids play. You want so bad to say your kid plays in the top league on the top team just to make yourselves feel good. It's become an addiction.

How about this. STFU and pick what you and your kid wants. Everything else will fall into place.

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Anonymous wrote:You are all morons living through your kids play. You want so bad to say your kid plays in the top league on the top team just to make yourselves feel good. It's become an addiction.

How about this. STFU and pick what you and your kid wants. Everything else will fall into place.

I actually don't pick at all. My kid picks where she plays, tryouts, camps, etc.

Not my choice at all. I am here to be a chauffeur, support, and guide when asked for my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is comedy gold!

So many that really have NO clue about FCV, showcases, recruiting, training...

It is real simple. The soccer talent is getting less concentrated with each rising graduation year due to more and more “elite” options. In a very short period of time it will no longer be enough just to be on a FCV DA team. When it was just McLean and FCV being kid 15 still meant you were kid 30 all of NoVA. Going forward being kid 15 at FCV or ANY DA/ECNL club means you are now kid 100-120 in NoVA. This is the simple product of dilution.

So if your kid is a rising U13/14 and you’re kid is not a top 5 player or at least a starter on the team then you should be thinking about a future change where you can become a starter. DA has not yet separated itself as the elite league either to bail your career sub out either.

I strongly disagree with your statement. But you know, opinions are like ______.

Opinions are like you?

Since you asked, No.

But I do know facts: 3 of the top 5 players at MU tried out for FCV and didn't make it at the 05 age group. FACT. So the Spirit/MU rosters starts at player #19 at highest in the area. Sort of goes against the bench players at FCV being worse than the top 5 at every other 'elite' club in the area.

Truth is, FCV's rosters are deeper than any 'elite' club in the area. FCV rotates starts among all players mostly and regardless of who starts, players play equal time for the most part.

But you wouldn't know any of this unless you were part of it. But by all means, continue to sling the false information and conjecture if it makes you feel better.

Facts:
When FCV was in ECNL up to 70 kids would show up for tryouts. - Conjecture. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. You don't know this and have no way of supporting this...argumentative.

Facts:
When DA launched and ECNL expanded FCV tryouts numbers plummeted to less than 10 outside kids. - Speculation. Unless you have tryout lists, this is simply made up. I personally saw the 07's when trying out and they had 3 full games going...i.e. ~66 players or more.

Facts:
FCV is not drawing outside talent like it used to. - Come on. This is simple conjecture attempting to be argumentative. You have no evidence to support any claim like this.

Facts:
All clubs are relying on internal talent more and more as staying put is easier for kids. - How can you possibly know the internal working and players, player development from EVERY club. More conjecture to be argumentative.

Facts:
FCV does not offer anything that 6 other clubs can’t also offer while staying closer to home and continue to play with established friends. - Wow...while you can compare clubs and offering, there isn't a club anywhere in NoVa that trains like FCV. I hear it from parents all the time that come in for tryouts. FCV is still getting stragglers from MU coming for tryouts as of this week. If a player wants to play near home and play with friends, that is fine. But the training the would get is not even close in comparison.

Facts:
Kids still like playing in HS. And FCV lost several players mid season to HS alone. - I do not know of ANY DA players that left to play HS. Some may not come to FCV for that reason, and that is a personal choice that is OK. Every player is different.

Facts:
FCV sold because the writing is on the wall if they stay in Loudoun.

- And you finish off with conjecture. Unless you are CZ, STJ owner or one of the lawyers involved, you have no idea why the club was sold. I have personally heard why the club was sold and it not b/c of the made up reason you state above.

Don't hate on FCV because the club has better teams at the DA level. Some kids fit in better at other clubs, nothing wrong with that. But if you want to get looked at by college coaches, FCV is the club in this area to do that. Regardless if the player is 12, 18, 1, or 3.

False. In the history of FCV DA, players 12 and 18 have never received a D1 offer. I am not sure they would be in the top 5 on another club but those players actually get D1 offers. So if those FCV players are better it is pretty obvious they are making a mistake in staying.

So the links that were shared yesterday are false? Because they show plenty of kids 12-18 getting D1 offers. Do you really think that people are going to believe you versus the actual data that is on the Internet? FCV is different from every other club for the simple fact that it is BY FAR the strongest DA/ECNL option in the area. That may change but it won’t change because you hope it will. Top players want to play with top players. The big fish in the small pond isn’t for everyone. Finally, with respect to tryout numbers at FCV, less people are coming out to the older age group tryout for the same reason, there are already a ton of top players there and breaking in would be extremely difficult. Very easy to understand unless you are obsessed with coming up with crazy reasons to hope for FCVs demise.

And to do he poster talking about dilution. FCV, today, is BY FAR, the least affected. Regional ECNL means nothing for FCV DA. FCV DA has become a destination - for top players and that is exactly what the top level (currently called GDA) should be about. It requires more sacrifices. If you want to play at the top during the crucial older years, you don’t care what ECNL or regional ecnl clubs you’re driving by to get to the top club(s). Ecnl is a great second tier option especially for those that want to play high school. And certainly some top players are there. But the heaviest concentrations are and should be at the DA. It’s funny too that ecnl is promoting high school. Because before GDA the top teams weren’t exactly encouraging high school soccer being prioritizing over club.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, please you're embarrassing yourself by even posting here. What was the matriculation at the 07 age group then for example. IF FCV is the destination you claim it to be then how many outside kids are on the rising 07 DA team?

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PP shtick is getting old.